Guitar Trade Conundrum

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Well, with a diverse group of instruments like that, I’d want to A/B the options I might be interested in. Tops for me would be the J-45, but we’re all so different in what pushes our guitar buttons. Seems like an interesting opportunity to do some direct comparisons, with no apparent downside.
 

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That's the rare "Marlo Thomas is That Girl" pickguard. Modeled after the '60's sitcom. 😎


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LMAO...exactly!
 

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I would say it's real simple. Dude knows what he let go of. Some guitars are just that special..
If anyone tried to trade me a Gibson for any of my Guilds I would have a chuckle.
Now D-18 that is a model that is tough to beat.
You could work this one side to the other.
In the end, you love it. Nuff said.
 

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I would say it's real simple. Dude knows what he let go of. Some guitars are just that special..
If anyone tried to trade me a Gibson for any of my Guilds I would have a chuckle.
Now D-18 that is a model that is tough to beat.
You could work this one side to the other.
In the end, you love it. Nuff said.
Thanks D30Man...agree!
 

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If anyone tried to trade me a Gibson for any of my Guilds I would have a chuckle.
If that generalized thought works for you, terrific. But given the OP's opportunity here, a little more open-minded thinking might be to his advantage. I like all my Guilds, Gibsons, and Martins, but not equally. They do vastly different things, both tonally & playability-wise. Having owned & played many examples of these brands over the past fifty years as reference points, it so happens that a number of my current Gibsons work best for me & reside at the top of the list in terms of which guitars would be my all-time desert island keepers. It took a long time to get to this point, but having sorted through many to eventually find the gems, it's a surprise to find that I'm no longer actively looking to purchase another instrument.

Unless the OP has already played a number of examples of each of the guitars being offered, I would say he owes it to himself to test drive each one (if indeed they are available to him for a hands-on evaluation). He will at the very least be able to bank the information for future use when assessing another similar guitar from one of these makers. My typical approach when considering a particular model has been that you need to play at least three examples to get a foundational feel for where it's sweet spot might lie. You could possibly get lucky and play a gem the first time, but more realistically, think of each model as being on a bell curve. The greatest probability will be that there are many good ones, a few dogs, and a few truly stellar examples. The more you play, the more accurately you can assess the merits of a maker's offerings.

Finally, I have to say that I love doing trades, and have done a bunch of them over the years - little or no money changing hands & gaining a guitar I've got an interest in, while letting go of one I've lost interest in for whatever reason. If it turns out that the Guild in your hand smokes the others, you'll still have learned something of value. But there's always the chance that one of the others might surprise you, and be the actual gem of the group.
 

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Bob - I see your rationale here and more often than not I would agree.. Maybe I am just a little closed minded when it comes to Gibson.. I am just really turned off by the brand. Between shady dealings, poorly constructed guitars, brand identity crisis, poor product line development, and just the sheer fact that I have yet to play a Gibson acoustic ( Norlin era and later ) that has even remotely impressed me, I am not just not a fan. Gibson will never be a lifestyle brand IMO..

I know a lot of folks will disagree here and that's fine. I have owned a few gibsons in my life and the only one that I ever liked was a honey burst LP tribute with P-90's.. I still try them out at Guitar stores regularly. I also know that their pre-war stuff is well loved and there have been some fine products out of Bozeman under Ren's watchful eye that were loved.

I welcome a day where I place a J-45 on my lap that just says, "take me home big boy".. I will eat the necessary sh** sandwich for all to see and stand absolutely corrected. My ego is not that big.. Until then, I put Guild and Martin above Gibson in overall consistency, build quality, tone and definitely price point. However, like everything, its absolutely subjective.

I love to trade too... Just not for a Gibson... :)
 

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I'll also add that Epiphone ( though owned by Gibson ) does not factor into my overall opinion of Gibson as a stand alone guitar brand.
I have been nothing but impressed with Epiphone custom and up series LP's. Again, there is a significant amount of consistency coming from Epiphone. Also, I have talked to several indie guitar shop owners who prefer the Epi to the Gibby LP.
I own 2 Epi acoustics ( PR150 my first guit and an 80's PR715 that belongs to my son ) that are really decent acoustics for the price.
Not to drone on here ( as I drone on ) Agile is a great LP copy brand that goes hard against Epi and for even less dinero.
They are MIK like the initial Epi LP's. Possibly the same plant.
 

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Good call to say no thank you. And I agree with D30Man since I have an old Agile LP copy, and it is a fantastic guitar.
 

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Bob - I see your rationale here and more often than not I would agree.. Maybe I am just a little closed minded when it comes to Gibson.. I am just really turned off by the brand. Between shady dealings, poorly constructed guitars, brand identity crisis, poor product line development, and just the sheer fact that I have yet to play a Gibson acoustic ( Norlin era and later ) that has even remotely impressed me, I am not just not a fan. Gibson will never be a lifestyle brand IMO..
D-Man, congratulations, you have currently ascended somewhere near the top category of: All-Time-Gibson-Haters-I've-Come-Across-On-The-Internet!" Although I have many thoughts on your comments about both acoustics & electrics, I'd have to say that from your entrenched position, further back & forth discussion seems rather pointless.

So to the OP, I would simply say again, take advantage of every first-hand opportunity to expand your base of knowledge. It will serve you much better than the many gobs of less-than-productive internet chatter we see these days. I can understand not connecting with a particular line of guitars, as I've never been drawn to Taylor acoustics or Fender electrics, but like Gibson, Guild, and Martin, these companies have produced many fine instruments that have satisfied many a player. Which one works best for you depends on a whole host of factors, including your style of play (flatpick, fingerstyle, thumbpick, fingerpick, nails, no nails, etc, etc), how any given guitar reproduces that style, and how your hard-wiring processes the sound.

With that, I'll leave you with a photo, just to prove that Guilds & Gibsons can happily occupy the same room. Both of these are 16" maple bodied mini-jumbos. They seem to spend a lot of time together (and with my foot!). The Guild is a 1974 F-40 with an arched back & long scale. The Gibson is a 2012 J-185 with a flat back & short scale (made just as Ren was leaving Gibson to go to Guild - it's workmanship is flawless).

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Well MojoGuild, if the penalty this man offers you is good enough to get smth. better for you, why not. Otherwise, unless you've had a very friendly relationship round the deal with this person, don't bother, as you spent time and money along the way, and are already attached to this instrument it seems...Don't ask for more money though (wouldn't feel smart)... By the way, nice photograph of 2 mini-jumbos together Bobouz. Thanks
 
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Bob - Love that F40! Almost as much as I love that all-terrain shoe that was captured in the photo! :)
Someone forgot to tell Ren that the bridge on that J-185 is upside down... :)
 

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Ooops, the deal is gone !!! He said no. No reason to say more (nor to argue of course)...I hadn't read top of page 2 sorry... I wish Bobouz was living down the road from me ; F-40s are my favourite Guilds it seems, and I'd really wish I could compare one to its closest friend by Gibson... Here these guitars (F-40s) are very rare and expensive if ever they come across. A reversed bridge seems to give a sweater tone, and as you see "D-30" Ren changed it back to normal on the F-40 when he was allowed to - when he got working at Guild :ROFLMAO: .
 
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