WTB Guild tooled leather strap

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SFIV1967

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My unicorn strap would be one of Doyle Dykes Guild straps introduced at NAMM 2014.
Oh yes, they had the "DD" under the Guild logo for NAMM 2014. But since that was 2014 I could imagine they never went into production as Guild was sold shortly afterwards. At least I can't remember that they were offered for sale anywhere.

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Well, if you could get off your x#% and organize another one...LOL. Forget it Chaz, we've "lost" Guild to California :cry:

If ya really need one, we can work out a trade of some sort, I know you have great depth in "collectibles'...;)
 

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At NAMM 2013 Guild introduced a slightly different version which was for sale in shops. It had the same look as the 2012 one from the 2012 GSR models, but the inside padding was removed, so they feel even softer like true hand glove leather (...)

That 2013 version is still available today from Thomann:

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I ordered this Strap from this retailer a few days ago : I got it today, but when reading the sticker it had on, I read this : (a small triangle with a bar inside followed by) "Warning : Cancer and Reproductive Harm - www.P65Warnings.ca.gov
I wonder is this really serious and dangerous (I plan to send it back coz there isn't any hole that's large enough for the jack plug at the back of the acoustic-electric guitars anyway - although the photographs tend to show a difference between holes at the front and the hole at the back) ?
 
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I ordered this Strap from this retailer a few days ago : I got it today, but when reading the sticker it had on, I read this : (a small triangle with a bar inside followed by) "Warning : Cancer and Reproductive Harm - www.P65Warnings.ca.gov
I wonder is this really serious and dangerous (I plan to send it back coz there isn't any hole that's large enough for the jack plug at the back of the acoustic-electric guitars anyway - although the photographs tend to show a difference between holes at the front and the hole at the back) ?
Prop 65 is a well-intentioned (but horribly written) law. I won't get into some of the details, but essentially it boils down to:
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  • The state of California has a list of chemicals that their scientsts believe cause either cancer or reproductive harm
  • Anything sold in the state of California that can expose a customer to a specified level of those chemicals "in normal use" needs to be labeled as containing a reproductive or cancer causing hazard. You don't need to list them all, just one in each category.
  • Enforcement is 'citizen initiated.' Meaning, if you discover a product with an undeclared hazard, you bring the suit, and share in the fine.
The problems are huge. Specifically

  • Even if you don't actively sell product in the state of California, if it gets somehow grey-marketed there, you're still on the hook.
  • While most manufacturers may know what chemicals are in their products, they may not (without ludicrously expensive testing) how many PPM or PPB somebody might be exposed to by an undefined normal use. To use the guitar strap example, say it might include trace amounts of benzene from the tanning process. Now, how are you supposed to quantify how much benzene somebody might be exposed to if they use that strap. Are they playing it topless, or wearing a shirt? Do you want to go to court to litigate that chewing on the strap is not 'normal use,' even though mastication might exceed the threshold defined by the state of California?
  • There is a small army of 'citizen enforcers' that go through retail stores with handheld FTIR scanners that look for 'hot' items on the list in retail establishments looking for Prop 65 targets to collect money on
There, of course, is not any incentive to not label, even if you don't have products that, in actual normal use, would expose somebody. So everybody in the United States labels their products, even if they don't sell in the state, just to 'CYA.'

But wait, it gets worse. The law applies to products, but not packaging. So, if you have a product that contains 'pthalates,' you need to label them as having having a reproductive hazard. And you laser-print a label for it. The laser toner contains carbon black, a cancer hazard, according to the law, but you don't have to put that on the label, because it's part of the packaging, and not the product.:rolleyes:

In a previous life, I worked for a company that sold equipment used for handling hazardous chemicals in laboratories designed to handle them. Seriously 'if you spill this on you, it could kill you' kind of chemicals. Products that were cutting edge on safety and reliability features to protect the users from exposure to these chemicals, which any OSHA regulation would have you wearing full PPE -gloves, goggles, etc.

But we still had to put Prop 65 labels on everything, even though virtually all customers were using far more dangerous materials, to warn them that they might get cancer if they happened to chew on the polypropylene product housing during lunch break. If you have a case, you might win it, but how much would it cost you?

And trust me, most people would consider me a tree-hugger. This is just a poorly written piece of legislation that numbs people to the actual hazards they have to deal with.

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Thanks for your detailed answer Rocky...I didn't get it all (will have to look for some of the words in a dictionary and read it again), but if I understood enough of it, it seems like unless I eat some pieces of the strap, (or chew them during the shooting of my next cowboy movie 🤠 ), I can do all right.
I had been thinking of offering it to my best girl friend, for her musical peep show where she does a little guitar playing live naked :devilish: , but she can be used still (she would loose some of her merchant value too, if she got breast cancer !! 😰🤗 😭 ) ...
Well, sorry, just kidding and as the law that's mentioned seems pretty stupid, might as well do a little humour (hope the kids are all asleep) 😇 .

Not living in California, I bet I'm safe here 👹☺️ (Europe) anyhow...

Nonetheless, though it seems the leather is very nice, and the fact I like the logo on it, the strap doesn't seem convenient for acoustic-electrics (thought there would be a larger hole at one end, from the photographs), and it's what I need (a strap for acoustic electrics - got plenty of the others)...55 euros for a strap is quite a lot and I don't usually pay that kind of money for straps : might as well have something safer. Don't know if they changed theses straps or if I got it wrong in the 1st place, but my Taylor strap is done right for that purpose (but already used), and d'Addario does a special device (Cinch Fit Acoustic Lock) for usual straps, so I'm not alone to face the issue...Looking for a replacement strap, but quite cheap (not 100+ dollars)...
 
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