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That sunburst is incredible!

I measured the radius on mine as 14", but the difference between 14 and 16 is hard to measure. Regardless, it's pretty flat. Mine also has a 1 3/4" neck at the nut.

Here's a pic of mine:

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We've seen the rounded vs. square corner thing on electrics, too. If memory serves some use that to help figure out the S100 eras when the S/N isn't available.
 

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Thanks GAD. Sure like the way the sap lines are spaced on your top. Yours appears to have the rounded board ends as well, so there goes my theory that the rounded boards were only on the early ones.
 

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Good morning gents. Since you like pictures, I am obliging with some shots of my X-700 taken just this morning. Also, I would like to post more of my questions. Warned you that I had several.

Still like to know what was the original fingerboard radius. As stated earlier, mine is now 16 and just right for me.

Some of the X-700s had a 1 and 3/4" nut while others were 1 and 11/16" Mine is the wider one, although the string spacing is the same as on 1 and 11/16" guitars. The only difference I notice on my guitar is a tad more real estate out past strings 1 and 6 before coming to the edge of the board. Can anyone tell me how it was decided at the factory wich nut width would be used? Which does yours have GAD?

I've never seen this next question addressed at all. Some of the X-700s had rounded corners on the end of the fingerboard as does mine. Others (the later ones I think) were squared off. I suspect that this change may have been part of the Fender inflewnce taking hold, but I don't know that for a fact. I think the change may have taken place in 1996, as I have seen pictures of both versions from that year. Which does your 97 have GAD?

Where does the name Stuart come from in reference to the Westerly X-700s?

Finally, last question for today. Has it been determined how many of these guitars were made? The Guild records show only 213, but I know that a few more were made before Westerly closed in 2001. The highest number I have ever seen was 291.
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Gorgeous guitar!!
 

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We've seen the rounded vs. square corner thing on electrics, too. If memory serves some use that to help figure out the S100 eras when the S/N isn't available.

Fingerboard end rounded to square happened sometime during 1996 (so '96 is a transitional year). Exceptions likely exist.
 

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That is a fabulous looking guitar. You are one lucky guy. Enjoy it!
 

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Good morning all. You fellows have been most helpful in answering my questions, and it is much appreciated. Yes, I realize how lucky I am to have found such a beautiful guitar, and one that sounds and plays as good as it looks. Of course, as described earlier, it came about after considerable expense and work. It was indeed worth the effort.

I have one additional mystery about the X-700, that I am thinking those of you who own X-700s may be able to address. The official description of the guitar coming from Guild clearly states that the body is 17 3/4" across the bass bout at the widest point. I have measured mine numerous times to be sure, and it is dead on 17". I am very curious to hear from any of you who own or have access to an X-700, what yours measures. After all, 3/4" is a pretty good size margin of error. Could the size of these actually have varied that much? Thanks! J. Paul.
 

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Probably incorrect info in the marketing literature . . . that extra 3/4-inch would be difficult to stuff in a case that fits a 17-inch wide guitar!

A Guild/Benedetto X-700 from Westerly is also exactly 17 inches wide.
 

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Interesting tale . . . welcome!

There might still be a couple of LTGers who can comment from direct experience re: the workflow process at Westerly (because they worked there back in the day).

If that crazy fretboard geometry came out of the Westerly factory, my guess would be that it was simply a set of mistakes, or perhaps some not-dry-enough wood that distorted as it dried out and settled into its new life as a guitar neck.

Or perhaps a prior owner had poor-quality work done on that guitar? Maybe the fretboard was sanded in a clumsy manner, & those weren't actually the factory-original frets when you bought this guitar.
That was first thing that occurred to me, too. It's very rare to hear of a fretboard problem like that.
 

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I have one additional mystery about the X-700, that I am thinking those of you who own X-700s may be able to address. The official description of the guitar coming from Guild clearly states that the body is 17 3/4" across the bass bout at the widest point. I have measured mine numerous times to be sure, and it is dead on 17". I am very curious to hear from any of you who own or have access to an X-700, what yours measures. After all, 3/4" is a pretty good size margin of error. Could the size of these actually have varied that much? Thanks! J. Paul.
HI J. Paul, welcome aboard! The way I understand it, the body depths could vary up to +/- 1/4" but the outlines were stable
Probably incorrect info in the marketing literature . . .
Yeah much more likely and a well-known problem. My favorite was always the rosewood pickups spec'd for S-100's in the 1st Guild Gallery:
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Thanks geoguy and adorshki. Appreciate your help. At some point I would sure love to hear from anyone who actually worked in the Westerly factory. I have wished many times that I could hop in a time machine and go back and visit that factory. Talking to someone who worked there would be the next best thing. Hard to believe it's been 20 years since it closed.
 

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Thanks geoguy and adorshki. Appreciate your help. At some point I would sure love to hear from anyone who actually worked in the Westerly factory. I have wished many times that I could hop in a time machine and go back and visit that factory. Talking to someone who worked there would be the next best thing. Hard to believe it's been 20 years since it closed.
At least a couple of 'em are actually members here, WorkedinWesterly and Hideglue and have given some insights over the years, but they're a little quieter lately.

You could try using those names in "search" to find old posts. ;)
 

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Thanks. I will give that a shot. If you think of anyone else or related information, send it my way.
 

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Thanks. I will give that a shot. If you think of anyone else or related information, send it my way.
Our guru Hans Moust, also a member here, and author of the Guild Guitar Book, has also shared insights gained in interviews with former Westerly workers while researching the book.

He's mentioned before that in Westerly, every single neck was finished by hand. So inevitably there are minor variations from piece to piece.
He did also say that he was surprised at how consistent they actually were, given the methods. Old school craftsmen just doing something they had a lot of experience with.

But that had more to do with profile as opposed to fretboard radius. Still, given the attention given to neck quality overall, it's why Geo and I suspect it may hav been poorly re-planed at some point.

The only fretboard radius spec I recall seeing Guild lit is also in that GuIld Gallery in a tech article:
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Note it says "in current production...fretboard radius is 12" but in past varied from 12 to 16"
What's unclear is if he's talking specifically about acoustics which is the focus of the article, or all Guild models. For sure that was probably written in early '97 given lead time needs for catalog planning and printing.

But I've seen that same variation cited here regarding electrics, too.

And just to keep things interesting, GAD's mentioned a 15" radius on one of his Bluesbirds from that exact catalog period, "IIRC".

Fender's purchase of Guild was finalized in November of '95, so yours most likely precedes their time of "influence" on production, which was actually pretty minimal.

According to Hideglue, what they did was largely to formalize the quality control process by instituting checklists to ensure no steps were overlooked. (And Paul if you're reading and I've goofed on that, please correct, but I'm sure you remember the post I'm talking about ;) )

And to be fair, they started up a new era of creativity for 'em with the opening of the Nashville Custom shop.

But I'm sure an X-700 got the best of attention overall, in any era. ;)
 

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Finally, last question for today. Has it been determined how many of these guitars were made? The Guild records show only 213, but I know that a few more were made before Westerly closed in 2001. The highest number I have ever seen was 291.
Oh, missed that question. If anybody knows it'd be Hans, or maybe Ralf (SFIV1967).

Gorgeous guitar, BTW.
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Well thanks again adorshki. You are very helpful. That is the first reference I have seen in print as to the radius. It is as if they wanted to keep it a secret. So setting mine at 16" was not out of the ballpark. I really think I hit the sweet spot for my particular neck profile. It almost plays itself. Action is super low.
 

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Well thanks again adorshki. You are very helpful. That is the first reference I have seen in print as to the radius. It is as if they wanted to keep it a secret. So setting mine at 16" was not out of the ballpark. I really think I hit the sweet spot for my particular neck profile. It almost plays itself. Action is super low.
I've started to think that part of Fender's marketing strategy for the brand was to start printing lit that appealed to a more sophisticated buyer in the early-mid '90's.

Publishing the specs appeals to the "cork-sniffers".

Prior to that, the marketing emphasis was on playability and construction quality. For the guys who actually play.

Fender's idea may have had some merit at the time, at least it gave us several issues of the Guild Gallery, which contain a series on the construction of a D55, complete with photos. Porno for guys like us. 😀

I think originally, the mentality was, "Make it for the guy who knows how to play. The playability will sell itself, and those guys don't care about specs, they'll recognize quality and will either like the sound and playability or not. So who cares about specs?."

They were always pretty clear about woods used and solid tops, though, stuff which was a more common measure of "quality" in the '50's-'70's, I think?

Also, I suspect now that Guild changed specs on the fly simply to make subtle variations in a model to appeal to more potential customers, or to help maximize production economy. The most common variation of "spec" I've seen reported here is nut width, for example.

A couple of D30's from the mid '80's with 1-5/8" nuts when "spec" was 1-11/16. Thing is, those 2 had s/n's within 3or 4 digits of each other, which suggested to me that they had to have started in the same batch and that they built at least 6 of 'em. (Guild's "batch quantity", flattops were built in multiples of 6) .

So I'm thinking they might have actually done it on purpose: "We're gonna build some of these with a narrow nut."

But again, if they don't commit to a spec, then they're free to vary as seen fit. I kinda like it, actually. :D


I still get surprised by stuff we see here. Keeps things interesting!

I think the publishing of specs was co-incident with the process of "formalizing" QC, too: "Here's what we guarantee, folks."

OK, gotta eat now. :)

Oh, almost forgot, those Guild Galleries can be seen courtesy of our host GAD, thanks to his painstaking efforts in making that stuff readily accessible.

Link to his site here:
 
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