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Nuuska

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Premier 12 & 16 toms were non standard until 1967 - after that they are same as evrybody else.

If the Remo set is otherwise great - then there's one possibility. Use only one front tom - mount it on a snaredrum stand - those are cheap to get.
 

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Thanks again all for your thoughts and suggestions!

The seller of the Sonor contacted me today, his set has sold yesterday... One less option.

Still no message of the seller of the PDP by DW.

Somehow I'm too stupid to figure out how to insert quotes here, and thusly react individually to your posts. I like Nuuska's proposition the best: use only one front tom of the Remo and use it on a snaredrum stand. Question: are the mountings standardized?

I will check back with the drum teacher tomorrow and discuss the options. I'm still intrigued with the Remo set. Very much even. Yeah, probably dad needs to get into drums :cool: Today I checked some prices: The price of the hi-hat cymbals (new) alone equals almost the asking price for the entire set, crazy! aaarghh. How can you make your kids grow overnight? I mean a lot? 😅

We are going on vacation next saturday for almost a month, and I actually would have liked to nail this issue before we leave, so everything is ready when school starts again in mid-August... you see, patience is not my strength... maybe this is a good occasion for me to learn. Life lessons...
 

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Somehow I'm too stupid to figure out how to insert quotes here

The standard reply quotes the post.

If you press the +Quote link on the posts you want to multi-quote it copies everything into a buffer and you get a button at the bottom of the edit window that lets you insert.

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The standard reply quotes the post.

If you press the +Quote link on the posts you want to multi-quote it copies everything into a buffer and you get a button at the bottom of the edit window that lets you insert.

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Thank you!
 

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You should really wait for the right kit to come along. Can the teacher rent you a kit?
 

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Didn't realize that with Premier, Moon's favorites. I had a real nice Premier chrome snare, maybe 8 lug, was it a standard 14"?

Coated Remo Ambassadors are great heads that last forever. Emperors are a little thicker, and can make a better batter head while the Ambassador is underneath as a resonant head. Contrary to a lot of people, I"m quite a firm believer in front heads in drums, and in bass drums with full front head, and no freakin pillow inside. I don't like muted drums. Duct tape all over the heads, duct taped cymbals...
 

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Standard size 14-inch 8-lug - there was later longer lever and newly shaped parts in throw-off mechanism.
 

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You should really wait for the right kit to come along. Can the teacher rent you a kit?
Actually, the old school way to start is with drum sticks, a practice pad, and this book. As long as the teacher moves them onto kit soon enough to keep your kids engaged, they can start lessons this way. Paradiddle mastery creates great drum hands!

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Drums was my first instrument. Lessons from 8 to 11. I think everyone should learn drums first. Teaches them timing. 1/8 1/4 1/2 whole notes beats measure etc. Don't know how you would learn guitar without it. I know it's done. Just think your much better off with the fundamentals.
 

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If your kid's not opposed to the look of it, hodge-podging a kit together over time is a reasonable choice. Finding good deals in pieces here and there and building it up. (And starting with a simpler layout is probably a benefit as far as getting the rudiments down).

I know my father never liked the early '70s Ludwigs as much as the '50s-'60s Slingerlands they replaced, but was super happy with the late '90s Premiers he got towards the end of his life. The '80s Japanese stuff is serviceable, from my own band experience (Tama, Pearl, etc.). Finding great-sounding cymbals always seems tougher -- I know my dad kept the same set of '50s-'60s Zildjians throughout his playing career.

One last piece of advice my father gave me is not to be a drummer at all. His reasoning being that you're buried at the back of the stage, it sucks when you're your own roadie and it's often too loud to practice (all relative to guitar). So, I'm a guitar player, lol.
 

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You should really wait for the right kit to come along. Can the teacher rent you a kit?

No, this is not intended... But: Finally the seller of the PDP concept maple wrote back, we went to see the set today and it was great! They bought it new a couple of years ago for their son who half-heartedly played it for four years and subsequently lost his interest. The drum kit never left the house and is in very good condition! I even managed to make them lower the price a bit, great success!

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Compared to the Remo we went to see earlier, this one here seemed a bit faceless and dull, but nevertheless is very appropriate for a beginner instrument IMO. The Remo is a loud and potentially brutal Rock Machine, and when the kids want to go in this direction later, there will come other chances.

The only thing I don't like about it is the kind of clumsy bass drum pedal, but this is something I can change easily.

I will go back to the seller's place and get it home on friday, we are looking forward to it very much.

Maybe I can make it to give you a short first impression review and some pictures before we go on our long vacation on saturday.

Thank you all again for your helpfull comments along the way, I have learned a lot about drums in this thread! (y)
 

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If your kid's not opposed to the look of it, hodge-podging a kit together over time is a reasonable choice. Finding good deals in pieces here and there and building it up. (And starting with a simpler layout is probably a benefit as far as getting the rudiments down).

I know my father never liked the early '70s Ludwigs as much as the '50s-'60s Slingerlands they replaced, but was super happy with the late '90s Premiers he got towards the end of his life. The '80s Japanese stuff is serviceable, from my own band experience (Tama, Pearl, etc.). Finding great-sounding cymbals always seems tougher -- I know my dad kept the same set of '50s-'60s Zildjians throughout his playing career.

One last piece of advice my father gave me is not to be a drummer at all. His reasoning being that you're buried at the back of the stage, it sucks when you're your own roadie and it's often too loud to practice (all relative to guitar). So, I'm a guitar player, lol.

Tempting... But I cannot afford guitar GAS and drum GAS 🤪

Your father sure was a wise man. Wiser than me 😅
 

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Is the previous owner a southpaw?
 
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Great to hear, Ruedi. That's the one kit I thought was the best buy. Additionally, if your kids don't take to it, it's an easy resell since it's a matched starter kit. Also, PDP by DW is quality starter drum gear.

I agree with you about the drum bass pedal, but without playing it, I can't tell. It seems like a solid chain drive pedal. Get some advice from the drum teacher once your kids start lessons before you replace it, though. It may work out just fine.

As mentioned, some simple drum gel pads will help control ringing overtones, some tuning, and your kit will be all set! Remember that you can also remove one of the mounted toms to pull the set in closer to fit the kids better.

I hope they enjoy learning and that you find a good teacher. Also, if they do take to it, I hope you can tolerate it. 🤯 Maybe they'll become as good as this gal someday?

 

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Great to hear, Ruedi. That's the one kit I thought was the best buy. Additionally, if your kids don't take to it, it's an easy resell since it's a matched starter kit. Also, PDP by DW is quality starter drum gear.

I agree with you about the drum bass pedal, but without playing it, I can't tell. It seems like a solid chain drive pedal. Get some advice from the drum teacher once your kids start lessons before you replace it, though. It may work out just fine.

As mentioned, some simple drum gel pads will help control ringing overtones, some tuning, and your kit will be all set! Remember that you can also remove one of the mounted toms to pull the set in closer to fit the kids better.

I hope they enjoy learning and that you find a good teacher. Also, if they do take to it, I hope you can tolerate it. 🤯 Maybe they'll become as good as this gal someday?



Thanks jp for your kind and helpful words! I just ordered a couple of slapklatz dampers, they had the best reviews.

Yes, I will talk to the drum teacher about the setup (one/two toms?) and the bass drum pedal, he will come by our place after holidays, check everything and show us how to install everything and how to tune the set. He is very kind and has a good connection to the children, they have been attending his basic rythm classes for a year now and enjoyed it very much so far. I am confident that they will continue to like it - and I don't care how "good" they become, I just want them to have fun and a good time.

I also talked to the neighbours and we agreed on a certain time slot for practice time, so this should work out fine. Tomorrow morning I go and get the set, looking forward to it!
 

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Oh Oh !!!

You said : "Neighbours" - does that mean you live in a condo or . . . ?
 
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