Dating a vintage Guild Starfire V , please help!

fuzz63

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2012
Messages
15
Reaction score
8
Hi there , recently I bought a vintage Guild Starfire V in rare brown finish . The serial nuber is EN-4640 and it is made in Hoboken , New Jersey . Although the seller told me that it's from 1964 , when I looked thoroughly at the " Dating your Guild " chart at Guild's support site , I couldn't identify the birth date of my guitar . Any help , would be really appreciated . Thanks , in advance
 

Attachments

  • 243010453_1002815807166496_104437524433003166_n.jpg
    243010453_1002815807166496_104437524433003166_n.jpg
    131.6 KB · Views: 162

SFIV1967

Venerated Member
Joined
Nov 20, 2010
Messages
18,493
Reaction score
9,015
Location
Bavaria / Germany
Guild Total
8
Hi fuzz, is that serial number also on the back of the headstock? Because I would think it is 1640 (which would be 1967) and not 4640. 4640 would be highly unlikely. In any case it would not be a 1964 one.

Ralf
 

fuzz63

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2012
Messages
15
Reaction score
8
Hi there , recently I bought a vintage Guild Starfire V in rare brown finish . The serial nuber is EN-4640 and it is made in Hoboken , New Jersey . Although the seller told me that it's from 1964 , when I looked thoroughly at the " Dating your Guild " chart at Guild's support site , I couldn't identify the birth date of my guitar . Any help , would be really appreciated . Thanks , in advance
Problem solved , I just managed to see back of the headstock that the serial is EN-1640 and not EN-4640 as it looks on the siled label , so it's a 1967 for sure .
I'd also like to ask if anyone knows where to find a repro pickguard and two of the volume-tone knobs that are missing . Thanks
 

fuzz63

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2012
Messages
15
Reaction score
8
Hi fuzz, is that serial number also on the back of the headstock? Because I would think it is 1640 (which would be 1967) and not 4640. In any case it would not be a 1964 one.

Ralf
thanks Ralf , I just managed to see it becouse it was almost dissapearred. I also noticed that except the rare color that the body is from figured maple and not mahogany as it is on my 66 Starfire III . Is that common for a 67 Starfire V ?
 
Last edited:

Stuball48

Senior Member
Gold Supporting
Joined
Oct 22, 2017
Messages
4,785
Reaction score
2,582
Location
Dickson, TN
And for members' enjoyment, more pictures would be just wonderful. You sound like a Starfire guy.
And welcome back - 2012 was long ago. Join us more often.
 

hansmoust

Enlightened Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2005
Messages
9,222
Reaction score
3,566
Location
Netherlands
I also noticed that except the rare color that the body is from figured maple and not mahogany as it is on my 66 Starfire III . Is that common for a 67 Starfire V ?
I believe that the body of your guitar is mahogany with some figuring in the veneer. It is not common, but also not rare!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl
 

fuzz63

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2012
Messages
15
Reaction score
8
I believe that the body of your guitar is mahogany with some figuring in the veneer. It is not common, but also not rare!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl
I think that it's figured maple ... compered to the mohogany body of my 66 starfire III . What do you think ?
 

Attachments

  • 243212087_191034053138155_8481132251257135836_n.jpg
    243212087_191034053138155_8481132251257135836_n.jpg
    71.7 KB · Views: 134
  • WP_20171018_15_10_21_Pro (2).jpg
    WP_20171018_15_10_21_Pro (2).jpg
    358.3 KB · Views: 133

hansmoust

Enlightened Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2005
Messages
9,222
Reaction score
3,566
Location
Netherlands
I think that it's figured maple ... compered to the mohogany body of my 66 starfire III . What do you think ?
No, it's figured mahogany; a different species of mahogany than the kind that was used on your Starfire III, but mahogany nevertheless!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl
 

SFIV1967

Venerated Member
Joined
Nov 20, 2010
Messages
18,493
Reaction score
9,015
Location
Bavaria / Germany
Guild Total
8
That's a great looking hog body!

1632746299403.png

@hansmoust : Looks like a "Spec" or "Sp" on the label behind the "BROW"?
Was the "Special" due to that wood?

And was the guitar refinished/resprayed due to the brown sparkles on the label?

1632746444555.png

Ralf
 

fuzz63

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2012
Messages
15
Reaction score
8
I had a Huber Orca with figured mahogany body so I know exactly how it looks and I have to say that it reminds me the look of the Guild , but I'm not sure that is figured mahogany or maple . As I see on that sale on reverb , it looks like maple was used that time by Guild on their Starfires .
That's a great looking hog body!

1632746299403.png

@hansmoust : Looks like a "Spec" or "Sp" on the label behind the "BROW"?
Was the "Special" due to that wood?

And was the guitar refinished/resprayed due to the brown sparkles on the label?

1632746444555.png

Ralf
Propably , couse the wood of it's body is real exceptional . The previous owner made some unusual mods becouse it was a crazy lefthanded Greek folk guitar player ( I have to say that vintage Guild starfires IV & V , becouse of their crystal clear sound when pluged in fender twins are the most beloved and wanted instruments among the traditional Greek folk guitarists ) . So after the mods he took off the color and resprayed it on the front and the back side . Only the sides and the head of the guitar left untouched , so I can see it's factory dark brown almost ebony color . The strange is that despite all that wear , it has an awesome wonderful sound .
 
Last edited:

adorshki

Reverential Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2009
Messages
34,176
Reaction score
6,800
Location
Sillycon Valley CA
Propably , couse the wood of it's body is real exceptional . The previous owner made some unusual mods becouse it was a crazy lefthanded Greek folk guitar player ( I have to say that vintage Guild starfires IV & V , becouse of their crystal clear sound when pluged in fender twins are the most beloved and wanted instruments among the traditional Greek folk guitarists ) . So after the mods he took off the color and resprayed it on the front and the back side . Only the sides and the head of the guitar left untouched , so I can see it's factory dark brown almost ebony color . The strange is that despite all that wear , it has an awesome wonderful sound .
Welcome aboard, fuzz63!
In Guild's case "Spec" meant an instrument built with a "non-standard" feature, but their wood was usually very good in any case.
So it might have been a spec for the wood itself but not just the quality of it. It could also refer to things like different tuners or bridge or fretboard for example

Since you know it's been modified, the detail that originally made it a "spec" may no longer be present. Hans probably knows if it would have been a "Special" due to the body wood, or some other detail.
 
Last edited:

hansmoust

Enlightened Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2005
Messages
9,222
Reaction score
3,566
Location
Netherlands
@hansmoust : Looks like a "Spec" or "Sp" on the label behind the "BROW"?
Was the "Special" due to that wood?



1632746444555.png

Ralf
It's not a 'Special' and consequently there's no Special designation written after the finish color. Because of all the smudges on the label it may look like a separate suffix, but the label says 'BROWN' not BROW; the spacing between the letters is just a little uneven.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl
 

fuzz63

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2012
Messages
15
Reaction score
8
It's not a 'Special' and consequently there's no Special designation written after the finish color. Because of all the smudges on the label it may look like a separate suffix, but the label says 'BROWN' not BROW; the spacing between the letters is just a little uneven.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl
but a 67 all flame mahogany top , sides & back .... she sure looks like a bit special
 

adorshki

Reverential Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2009
Messages
34,176
Reaction score
6,800
Location
Sillycon Valley CA
but a 67 all flame mahogany top , sides & back .... she sure looks like a bit special
Yep, some of 'em are like that.

Also had to edit my post even thought Hans has it being a special ruled out, originally meant to say:
"So it might have been a spec for the wood itself but not just the quality of it."
 

fuzz63

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2012
Messages
15
Reaction score
8
Yep, some of 'em are like that.

Also had to edit my post even thought Hans has it being a special ruled out, originally meant to say:
"So it might have been a spec for the wood itself but not just the quality of it."
Bealive me or not after owning and playing so many vintage beauties it is special indeed ....
 

adorshki

Reverential Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2009
Messages
34,176
Reaction score
6,800
Location
Sillycon Valley CA
Bealive me or not after owning and playing so many vintage beauties it is special indeed ....
And I was intrigued by your mention of Greek folk players by the way, I've had a fondness for a least some Greek music ever since I was a kid, Zorba the Greek.

Later I discovered Greek pych/prog bands like Aphrodite's Child and love Vangelis' first solo album EARTH.

Vangelis incorporated a lot of traditional Greek music and instruments in his sound at the time. Loved it to death, still do. Love the instruments too, that bouzouki tone! :D

A l-o-o-ng time ago we had a member join from Greece. He'd just acquired an F65ce which is a very similar body to a Starfire with an arched laminated maple back, but it's a flat-top.

He thought the back was solid because the inside and outside grain matched. As an F65ce owner and lover I explained to him that Guild actually tried to make sure the grain pattern matched on the inside and outside sheets of laminate. The sheets were acquired from a veneer manufacturer and since they were sliced off a block successively like so many slices of salami, the grain on any 2 successive sheets would be nearly identical. The center sheet was typically something lighter like larch or alder IIRC.

So flat laminated sheet is then put into the archback press to form the back.

Our new member still didn't believe me, oh well... :)
 
Last edited:
Top