D-tar...Just doesn't sound good to me....

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I've tried just about everythting to get the D-tar to sound good in my F30 but I think I'm going to put a K&K in there instead.
Micing the guitar sounds so much better and my other guitar with the K&K sounds much more natural then the D-tar equipped F30.

The F30 sounds so good unplugged but using the D-tar changes its' voice.

I know not everybody likes the K&K either but it sounds pretty natural to me.

Any thoughts?
 

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I have D-Tar in my 212XLCE. Hate it. I'm running it through a Fishman Aura Spectrum to change it's voice. Now I can live with it, anyway.
 

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Check out JJB's Prestige 330 as a direct substitution for the K&K mini. Here's a recent thread.

Here's the web site.

Some folks prefer K&K, others like the JJBs just as well or better. I like the K&Ks in my 00 sized Larrivee. I also bought a set of JJBs for my GAD f-30, but I haven't gotten them installed yet, so I can't compare them.
 

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I am surprised. My '06 D-55 has the D-Tar Multisource and it sounds wonderful. I hear the same tones, but louder. I wouldn't trade it for anything.
 

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I love K&K (passive) pickups! Very woody sound to my ears! You have my vote on the K&K. :biggrin-new:
 

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I love K&K (passive) pickups! Very woody sound to my ears! You have my vote on the K&K. :biggrin-new:

What are you using to amplify from the guitar?
Are you using a K&K pure sound box between the guitar and sound system or amp?
 

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Another vote for K & K - there's a pure mini in my D64!

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Here's an A-B-C shootout of 3 acoustic pickups, all mounted in the same guitar. Not exactly A/B/C, since he doesn't play the same tune each time, but using a single guitar does eliminate one of the variables.

 

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F30,

I'm sorry you don't like your D-Tar set up. I liked mine, a lot.

I was reminded of something when I watched the Mass St. Music vid; different Mics or Pickups are used for different types of performances.
Do you recall the player saying the K&K had a warm sound that was suitable for duos, single guitars or (something like) quiet band performances?

Some pickups sound great at low volume (coffee house) levels and simply don't work well in a loud band environment. Some undersaddle pickups are great at loud volume, but kind of tinny at low volume, compared to the real sound of the guitar and the warmth, tone, expression of some other pickups.

I think a fellow has to ask himself what he wants to do with that 'electrified' acoustic guitar. Do you want to play in a Band? In a Duo? At the coffee house?
In your living room just for kicks?

I guy I knew 8 or 10 years ago used to supply preamps to James Taylor's Sound Guys. He told me that JT had both undersaddle and built-in mic pickups in his stage guitars. The board engineer had been trained to push the slider up on the mic for intros (before the full band came in) and the middle 8 bars (when the band would go quiet and James would play by himself or to minimal accompaniment). The rest of the time, the slider was down for the mic and the undersaddle pickup ruled the roost!

Good luck figuring it all out. I went from old DeArmond sound-hole pickups to Humbucker sound-hole pickups, to Sunrise pickups with fancy pre-amps and a 31-band EQ to a Pickup The World Film strip, to a D-Tar with a Baggs Para DI, to playing a Strat for bluegrass and gospel songs because I couldn't pick acoustic sized strings quickly enough for the music we were playing.

My parting thought is, whatever pickup you're using now won't be what you're using in 5 years. ;) HH
 

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F30,

I'm sorry you don't like your D-Tar set up. I liked mine, a lot.

I was reminded of something when I watched the Mass St. Music vid; different Mics or Pickups are used for different types of performances.
Do you recall the player saying the K&K had a warm sound that was suitable for duos, single guitars or (something like) quiet band performances?

Some pickups sound great at low volume (coffee house) levels and simply don't work well in a loud band environment. Some undersaddle pickups are great at loud volume, but kind of tinny at low volume, compared to the real sound of the guitar and the warmth, tone, expression of some other pickups.

I think a fellow has to ask himself what he wants to do with that 'electrified' acoustic guitar. Do you want to play in a Band? In a Duo? At the coffee house?
In your living room just for kicks?

I guy I knew 8 or 10 years ago used to supply preamps to James Taylor's Sound Guys. He told me that JT had both undersaddle and built-in mic pickups in his stage guitars. The board engineer had been trained to push the slider up on the mic for intros (before the full band came in) and the middle 8 bars (when the band would go quiet and James would play by himself or to minimal accompaniment). The rest of the time, the slider was down for the mic and the undersaddle pickup ruled the roost!

Good luck figuring it all out. I went from old DeArmond sound-hole pickups to Humbucker sound-hole pickups, to Sunrise pickups with fancy pre-amps and a 31-band EQ to a Pickup The World Film strip, to a D-Tar with a Baggs Para DI, to playing a Strat for bluegrass and gospel songs because I couldn't pick acoustic sized strings quickly enough for the music we were playing.

My parting thought is, whatever pickup you're using now won't be what you're using in 5 years. ;) HH

Great points made and thanks for the feedback.
I do alot of fingerstyle solo and coffee house stuff with my F 30's but if it is going to be a louder venue I usually use one of my Teles through a Vibrolux or Deluxe Reverb.

I did just pickup an Ultrasound DI preamp to try with the K&K.

I used a black Electro socket and then a nickel strap button input to convert from the D-Tar to the K&K at the end pin. The Electrosocket is 7/8's like the D-Tar
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BTW the last pic ^above is during fitting. The input jack is not secured all the way up to the end of the strap button in that image yet.
I probably could have used this:

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But I'm happy with the results anyway
 
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