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One of the things that I find confounding is that a copper wire in a tube amp circuit can carry AC current in one direction and DC current in the opposite direction at the same time! 🥴
How do the electrons not bang into each other?
 
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Yeah, but what's actually creating the distortion? A painter with a paint brush can create a distortion on the canvass with using various hand movements driving the brush. So what's the brush in an amp? I need more analogies to understand.
 

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One of the things that I find confounding is that a copper wire in a tube amp circuit can carry AC current in one direction and DC current in the opposite direction at the same time! 🥴
How do the electrons not bang into each other?

AC current is never "in one direction". It's alternating. The root mean square (RMS) of the sine wave is equivalent DC voltage of the signal, but is not a true additional DC source (though it can be treated at DC depending on frequency).

AC can be "offset" meaning that the center of the sine wave is at, say, +5VDC instead of 0VDC, but this does not mean that there is an additional +5VDC signal on the wire. If the AC wave's voltage is used as a signal volume and the volume goes to zero then there may be a DC (or close to it) signal in place of the AC signal at the DC offset voltage.

I't tired, but I can't think of a "DC going in the opposite direction" example from a tube amp. Might you have an example?
 

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Yeah, but what's actually creating the distortion? A painter with a paint brush can create a distortion on the canvass with using various hand movements driving the brush. So what's the brush in an amp? I need more analogies to understand.

The way a tube or transitor causes distortion in an audio circuit is the signal being too "big" for the specified component to handle. You might of heard of this as "clipping" because that's exactly what's happening - the tops and bottoms of the sinusoidal wave are being clipped off. Here are some pics I stole from this link: https://www.tdpri.com/threads/cutoff-and-saturation-shown-on-an-oscilloscope.989589/

Here's the original wave (guitar signals aren't this clean - this is a pure wave for testing):

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With the signal boosted to the point of "saturation", the amplifier runs out of "clean headroom" and can't make the wave form bigger (this is what an amplifier does - it makes the wave larger in the Y axis). Because the amplifier has run out of headroom, it just loses the tops of bottoms of the wave because the wave no longer "fits" through the component. The tube or transistor has become saturated and just can't amplify anymore. BTW this is why amps have gain stages - if you amplify cleanly you can only go so far, but if you take that amplified signal and amplify it again, you can take advantage of the next stages clean headroom. Also some tubes/transistors have higher capacities than others.

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Tubes and transistors saturate very differently. A tube is a very analog device and so has a very organic distortion profile where the tips of the waves look very different than when a transistor clips, because those tend to saturate with more of a very flat line which tends to sound harsh and possibly unpleasant, though when wrangled well (like in a fuzz pedal), transistor saturation can be pretty interesting. Additionally old germanium transistors saturate in a very different way than modern silicone transistors do.

For an analogy, did you ever play "telephone" as a kid where you tied a string between two cups and then talked through the string (that had to be taught) over a distance? That string was actually providing an AC signal produced by the microphone (cup) that converted your voice to an AC signal over the wire (string) to a speaker (the other cup).

Imagine if you could put that string into a tiny tube that was *just* large enough to hold the string and the space it needed to vibrate at normal volume. The louder you talk, the more the string moves. If you talk loud enough, you'll overdrive the string and it will start to hit the tube, at which point your voice will sound funny on the other end because the string has run out of available headroom. There's literally not enough room in the tube for the string to vibrate when you yelled. Talk normally and it will sound normal again. It's the same with AC signals in an amplifier.
 

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A waterfall is great analogy.

The higher the waterfall - the higher the voltage
The wider the stream current - more amperes - more current

Energy of waterfall - height x stream
Low waterfall w wide stream can produce equal energy to high waterfall w narrow stream

Energy of electricity - voltage X current
12V car battery has to give 1A to light a 12W bulb
120V house AC-outlet gives 0,1A for 12W bulb

This is very simplified.

And you guys are lucky to have only measle 120VAC run through your chest in case the amp fails.
We have whopping 240VAC over here - that means 4 x the poweer of the schock.

I've had some - they are quite nasty - I do not recommend to be sloppy about electricity.


EDIT - corrected 24V to 240V - and the nominal over here is 230V - but most of the time closer to 240V - anyway - zapping force is about 4 times as strong as in US
 
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In case it isn't obvious, if those signals were each sent to a speaker your ears would hear different things. In this case the electrical distortion leads directly to audio distortion but there is a whole 'nother layer....
 

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If you have a low volume of parts to be made, this is the way to go. Tooling costs to make a run of boards may have been exorbitant. Guild was not producing a high volume of amps toward the end, and just because it looks like a pile of random parts to the uninitiated, it is a combination of sub assemblies. If all you do is wire up tube sockets and all the leads and resistors, you can blow a ton out during an eight hour shift. Somebody else just has to take the completed assembly, and bolt it to the chassis, which has had someone else install the terminal strips and other hardware. I sincerely doubt that one person built the amp from top to bottom. I worked in a factory for five years, and I never built anything completely from loose parts. It was all subassemblies from different departments in the plant, or from subcontracted parts.

And all audio circuits are DC powered circuits. If you have non-signal alternating current coming through the speaker, the device needs repair.
 

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An important things to know is what happens when a signal becomes saturated and "clipping" occurs. For HiFi you want the simple sine wave to get bigger but not change shape.

For a rock or blues guitar amp you want the sine wave to get distorted. A sine wave is a single tone or frequency. However you can use it to get many tones or frequencies. All that is required is for you to increase the input levels of the signal until the amplifier "clips". Once that happens you now generate harmonics or additional frequencies that are multiples of the original. The type of harmonics vary with the amplifier type and design. Typically tube amps distort with "even" number harmonics and solid state amps have both "odd" and "even" harmonics. Classic vintage amps didn't have "gain" controls so the only way to get the power amplifier output to be driven to the coveted saturated sound was to crank up the volume until things got really loud and the power amp stage began to distort.

Today amps have gain controls so you essentially force the preamp to clip which causes distortion at a lower volume level. That then gets amplified by the power amp stage. The preamp distortion verses power stage distortion does sound different with the power amp distortion more favored by classic rock and blues. The combination of preamp and poweramp distortion is for the various metal genre's.

It's important to know that the physics behind distortion is mathematically described by a function that relates the oscilloscope time waveform, as shown in the earlier photos, to the frequency output observed with a spectrum analyzer. Time signatures and associated frequency spectrum are related by the Fourier Transform. So basically any time a simple tone is distorted additional harmonic frequencies get created. They go hand-n-hand. You can't have one without the other. You could filter them out with a low-pass filter. However for that great rock or blues tone you want them to be present.
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