Seller wants me take it to an authorized Guild repair and is supposed to get back to me with one today. (Seller is not local.) If one's close by, I'll take it there. If not, I'll return send it back.
Advice - neck rattle
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Seller wants me take it to an authorized Guild repair and is supposed to get back to me with one today. (Seller is not local.) If one's close by, I'll take it there. If not, I'll return send it back.
Loosen the strings and make sure the saddle is in correctly. Also, make sure the ball ends of your strings are correctly locked in place by the bridge pins. You said this happened after a string change? Almost certainly something is loose or not correctly re-seated. My bet is the ball ends of the strings.
adorshki
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Hey Buddha a belated welcome aboard! Great observation never heard about that dual action rod "thing".
Sounds entirely possible.
But for Coop: "dual-action" rods were introduced in Tacoma, means adjustment occurs on both ends of the rod, a traditional rod only clamps tighter at the adjustment nut end .
The single truss for 12's was coincidentally also introduced in Tacoma and its unique feature was flanking graphite parallel "stabilizer" rods to increase neck stiffness.
I can't recall if that one's dual action as well, as opposed to "dual rods", but It wouldn't surprise me.
adorshki
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He's saying the right thing when it comes to warranty eligibility, for sure.
adorshki
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I'll be darned, I thought they were still using dual action as standard, but now appears it may vary by model, wonder if it's associated with trim level or the neck itself?You may be thinking of the older 12 strings with two truss rods. My 1990 JF30-12 has two truss rods. My new Oxnard F512 has one double-action truss rod. I don't know if all of the Oxnard Guilds are double-action truss rods. Someone will chime in and let us know about the other Oxnard Guilds.
Update: the Guild website lists the F40 as having a single action truss rod.
F-40 Natural (DISCONTINUED) | Guild Guitars
Achieve incredible clarity, balance and volume with our jumbo-shaped F-40, made in Southern California. Featuring a solid Sitka spruce top and solid African mahogany back and sides, this jumbo acoustic checks all the boxes for players who prize outstanding projection and enhanced mid-range.guildguitars.com
Assuming that spec is accurate, that is, as we have seen errors on the spec pages.
In fact, the F55 shows a dual-action rod for example and the (Oxnard) F40's the same body size (a favorite gripe of mine) and one would presume similar neck build/attachment, but maybe not?
Could it depend on whether it's one of the true dovetail neck joint models? (They also make mortice-and-tenon neckjoints)
Aha!!: the F40 Traditional has the dovetail neckjoint and a dual action rod.
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Hey Chazmo - Thanks. I first noticed it during a string change (some sympathetic vibrations as I was tuning up) but it's definitely coming from the neck. Saddle, string ends, bushings - all are fine.
Ah -that makes sense. I was going off the Guild site as well, but only checked under the F40.
Good luck, coop! Hey, definitely try tightening the TR if that's what you think it is. Go easy on it though. Try at most 1/4 turn at a time to see if it hooks up or not.
adorshki
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Speaking of the notorious undocumented running production switchover to single-rod 12 string necks in Tacoma, how's the F512?
adorshki
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Completely understandable, still, you made me look because if there's one thing I've learned over the years, there's always little "gotchas" with Guild, so now I know to look for 'em.
But I actually didn't realize there might be an association between the neckset and the TR type in Oxnard so you helped me learn something too.
So...long story short, it appears that the seller had a hard time locating a Guild-authorized luthier nearby, so we agreed that I'd take it to my tech for a second opinion. My guy confirmed the rattle was coming from mid-neck, and tried adjusting the TR. He could not back off the tension without using enough force to potentially break it. He could only go the other way slightly, and with no real effect on the relief. He thinks it's reason for concern as well.
West R Lee
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Just reading this thread and my eyes popped open. I had a rattle from a truss rod in one of my guitars that'd bought used. Like Coop, I shook the guitar, turned it upside down, tapped on neck, checked everything......tuners, tuner screws and anything else I could think of. I finally popped the TRC off, and stuck the nut driver on the rod nut, which was very loose. When you buy them used, you never know what a previous owner/dealer had done with the guitar.
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