Sold 3 pan head slot HB1 height adjustment screws #4-40 x 1 1/8"

[davismanLV]

Yeah, I get it. I was just offering the opinion that nobody asked for because it made me feel good to share it. Thanks for listening!

I'm glad you did offer your opinion because it calmed me down because for a while there I thought my head would explode!! I understand getting real close. This level of close is a little scary......

 

[fronobulax]

Ford Maverick?

Since I've seen his cars and his amp collection I'm guessing he is referring to the Guild Maverick amp. The amp is also part of the orgin story for mavuser's LTG name.

 

[GAD]

I'm glad you did offer your opinion because it calmed me down because for a while there I thought my head would explode!! I understand getting real close. This level of close is a little scary......

You have NO idea how far I'll go! LOL

If you think this is bad you should talk to a hardcore car restoration guy, or a serious cosplay model maker. When Disney filmed The Force Awakens they bought lightsaber parts from the fans because they got the details right. Those same fans have become known to camera collectors for seeking out the original Graflex flashes use to make Luke's original lightsaber so that they could make an *exact* replica, and some of those replicas sell for $15,000!

Brother, we're not even on the fringe of crazy!

 

[wdboland]

Hi All,

I received a bag of screws from Fasteners today. I going to try to do the same thing GAD, but not until the weekend. Unfortunately I believe my results will look the same. The new screws have more of a dome then the vintage screws.

-Wayne

 

[GAD]

So it just clicked in my feeble brain that the vintage HB1 adjustment screws are 4-40 and the modern humbucker standard seems to be 3-48 (as mentioned in Ralf's OP). Now i'm even more annoyed because after searching I cannot seem to find gold 4-40 screws anywhere.

 

[Bonneville88]

4-40 & 3-48 slotted brass pan heads available at McMaster,
head shape is what it is, not sure if the available lengths will work.
Brass can be gold plated...

 

[GAD]

I've seen all of those, but keep the ideas coming!

I found a guy on Etsy of all places that custom makes high-end screws for custom knives. I'm chatting with him to see what it will cost me to do a batch. I'll ask him about switch tips, too.

If I figure this all out I expect you all to pay me $50 a screw for your vintage unattainable Guild screw needs.

Honestly I'd just be super-happy to have a stash of the damn things. This all came about because I'm doing a vintage... thing... for someone and having super-rare Guild pickups but not the stupid screws is just infuriating.

 

[Nuuska]

If this thread weren't about screws - I would think this is nuts.

 

[poa77]

Yes, I saw them on ebay yesterday but was not 100% sure what to do. Good to know that you are here, and good to know where they come from! I will order 6 from you to compare and try!
Actually it's interesting that you said the originals would have had bigger heads with 0.25" (6.25 mm) instead of 0.219" (5.56 mm). Because the 0.219" seems to be what I have (actually they are like 0.21" and not 0.219" in my case) and where I think those might have been the original screws.
0.25" seems to big to me, but you also show HB-2 bass humbuckers on ebay, so maybe they used that bigger head?

Do you say screw 1 is the new one you had custom made and 2 is the original one? Because screw 2 with that slightly domed head does not look original to me!

It's a confusing topic, so I am looking forward to GADs investigation! In any way, your screws might be a good solution for me and I will later compare to the screws GAD ordered.

Ralf

hi ralf, aha, i don't know why this passed me by first time i read your post (or did you edit it at some point?). anyway, you are exactly right in fact. the side by side pics on eBay show my M85 bass pickup and they are in fact bigger screws on those pickups (i'm going to amend my listing now)?!!! i just did a comparison with my S-90 and though the shine makes it look slightly smaller in the pic they are almost exactly the same. i also just filed down the top to make it a much flatter pan head and it looks even closer!!! i didn't polish it up much and could maybe have made it flatter but it only took 2 mins to do. here's some more side by side pics. the profile of the head is still slightly different but they look quite close i think. hopefully the ones i sent will get to you soon and you can decide for yourself.

 

[DThomasC]

i also just filed down the top to make it a much flatter pan head and it looks even closer!!!

Genius!! Of course that only works with unplated (i.e. stainless steel) screws. I don't think SS will ever have the same color or sheen as plated steel, but still, it is a solution.

 

[GAD]

I think what bugs me most is that modern slotted heads are not parallel lines like the vintage ones.

 

[Bonneville88]

Me too. Something magic about that clean, straight recess. Nothing else is gonna ever look as good as that!

 

[SFIV1967]

I think what bugs me most is that modern slotted heads are not parallel lines like the vintage ones.

During the process of looking into the slot issue I noticed that of the 3 "original" screws I have two have a narrower and very clean cutted slot and one has a slightly wider but still parallel slot. Also the heads are slightly different. Interesting. So it looks like one of the 3 I have is also not original... I will post pictures of all this once the custom made screws from poa77 arrived from UK. (Mail takes longer during Corona times now).
Ralf

 

[davismanLV]

During the process of looking into the slot issue I noticed that of the 3 "original" screws I have two have a narrower and very clean cutted slot and one has a slightly wider but still parallel slot. Also the heads are slightly different. Interesting. So it looks like one of the 3 I have is also not original... I will post pictures of all this once the custom made screws from poa77 arrived from UK. (Mail takes longer during Corona times now).
Ralf

Ralf could it be that all screws are original but just came from a different batch or maybe they changed vendors or something? Does it necessarily mean "replaced"? As stated previously, these are just what was available at the time, not a specialty thing.

I have to admit I love the clean parallel lines of the original ones. The others look sloppy to me.

 

[GAD]

Ralf could it be that all screws are original but just came from a different batch or maybe they changed vendors or something? Does it necessarily mean "replaced"? As stated previously, these are just what was available at the time, not a specialty thing.

I have to admit I love the clean parallel lines of the original ones. The others look sloppy to me.

And we’ve roped you into the madness.

I don’t buy the batch thing. Maybe Hans would know if they were off the shelf screws but to me they’re very much a Guild HB1 hallmark.

 

[davismanLV]

ME and MADNESS are kind of a close run thing..... it really doesn't take much to nudge me over the line......

 

[GAD]

I put this together for my conversation with the custom screw guy: https://www.gad.net/Blog/2020/06/13/guild-hb1-adjustment-screws/

Feel free to use for your own nefarious needs. I think this one says it all:

 

[SFIV1967]

https://www.gad.net/Blog/2020/06/13/guild-hb1-adjustment-screws/

"Although it’s hard to measure the slot..."

Not too hard if you use multiple automotive feeler gauges:

Ralf

 

[SFIV1967]

Ralf could it be that all screws are original but just came from a different batch or maybe they changed vendors or something? Does it necessarily mean "replaced"? As stated previously, these are just what was available at the time, not a specialty thing.

No, as the HB-1s I have were not original in the guitar and hence have different screws. Wait until I post my pictures, which should be sometime during next week or maybe next weekend.

Can I start talking thread size of the screws?

Ralf

 

[davismanLV]

Wait.... with modern technology why are the new screws so WHACKED?? That's awful. Is just a simple, straight slot too much to ask? Apparently, I guess.....

I had no idea.