NGD: Guild F-512 Maple. Pictures to come!

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9 months after ordering, NGD has arrived. My wife is conflicted, as she wants to call it two things. "The baby", because it took 9 months to deliver...or Schrodinger...because for so long, the guitar existed in a state of uncertainty. Even now, it still exists in that state because...I have not yet opened the box. I am going to try to be good and wait 24 hours to open my (very late) Christmas delivery.

There is a little crunch on the corners of the exterior box, a slight cut on one side that does not go all the way through, and some of the tape is torn on the top flap, but not enough to concern me that someone took it. (just the one edge and 3 inches on the top seam.
Temperature is in the 60s, but it did get chilly last night, so I am going to wait until tomorrow just to be sure.

Adding a few pictures, and a review a few posts down.
 

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Schrödinger for sure, hauler! Congrats. We're going to need a picture spread on this one!!!!!!!

The crunches on your box edges are nothing as the guitar case was not impacted (I presume).
 

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Oh man, super major congrats! You can't get a much better NGD than that! Well done!
 

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Awaiting the awesomeness after the unboxing! :)
 

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After 9 months, Schrodinger's guitar is finally here. It took a long time, and while I am not 100 percent happy with some of the visuals, acoustically, it is everything I wanted and more.

First up, the body wood. The back is not very heavily flamed. In fact, in pictures, it looks more like someone ran over a nice piece of plywood with a tire. It looks a little better in person, but not much, and certainly not as eye popping as other examples I have seen.. In addition, the top is not a high end top. I get that Jumbos are big and that it's much harder for them to get a clear top, but these are obviously not bookmatched after further examination, it is possible that these are bookmatched and that the scar on the bass side was removed during sawing/finishing while some of it remained on the treble side, and on the right treble side near the edge, there is a slight flaw from a small branch, or someone left something on the wood and it compressed slightly in that area prior to cutting, plaining, and finishing. Aside from that though, the grain is tight (very tight in the center) with very little runout. The sides though are flamed nicely and are a standout feature. Considering that most of what I will see is the fretboard and the sides of the guitar, I am okay with how it looks, but yes, I was expecting something a little higher quality in the looks department for a 4000+ guitar. IMO, I think Guild has dropped its standards.

What it lacks in looks though, it more than makes up in how it performs. I had it pleked and had a professional setup done on it. The action is spot on and I can easily barre the frets with very little effort. Yes, you know it's a 12 string, but it's no more difficult to play than any of my 6 strings. In fact, this will force me to get better as my finger placement has been a bit sloppy at times, This instrument will require me to be more accurate.


That said, it is a jumbo guitar, so it is big, and it is heavy. That's okay for me as I am a big guy (6' 2"), so it fits me easily, but I could see someone with shoulder/elbow problems or a smaller build struggling to play this. Maple is a hard, dense wood, and the construction methods Guild uses means it's even heavier. This thing weighs in at 5lb, 14 oz, so while it's no Les Paul in terms of weight, it's one pound heavier than a Taylor 814ce, and almost a pound and a quarter over the Martin D-28 in terms of heft, so if you are going to use this on stage, make sure you have a nice wide strap to help spread the load this will put on your shoulders.

The sound is crisp and clear, with high and sweet treble and shimmer, and a bass that is solid, bold, and not at all floppy or loose. It can play soft and delicate, or you can kick it up and let it fill an auditorium unamplified....all without buzz or sounding strained. This thing is an absolute cannon. And the sustain, my lord that thing has sustain for days. After playing my last chord, I just sat there and listened and I swear I could still hear it 15 seconds later, just ever so softly. No other acoustic I have played has had even half this amount of sustain.

I've owned some good guitars, but none of them has offered the power, the clarity, the range, or the precision that this one does, much less all of them at once. Once I played it, I no longer cared about any perceived flaws in the wood. This is a players guitar. If the F-55 is anywhere close to this, then I should have gotten that over the Taylor 814ce I have. I still love my Taylor, but it doesn't have the range that the F512 has.

Oh yeah, this is a keeper.
 
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Glad it sonically floats your boat, but it's sad that it doesn't at least have "ghost" flame maple. Non-matched spruce top is very unusual, too. I agree that a top of the line model should be perfect in every way, so this is disappointing. Do post some pix when you get a chance.
 

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Glad you love the way it sounds! That looks beautiful and a great NGD review. I know I am just looking at photos, but that top does look book matches to me. If I look at the grain coloration near the end pin it looks like the left and right have the same coloration “stripes” on both sides of the seam. That area on the treble bout looks like a “bear claw“ mark to me. I like it!
 

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Glad you love the way it sounds! That looks beautiful and a great NGD review. I know I am just looking at photos, but that top does look book matches to me. If I look at the grain coloration near the end pin it looks like the left and right have the same coloration “stripes” on both sides of the seam. That area on the treble bout looks like a “bear claw“ mark to me. I like it!
yeah, after looking at it again, it could be a bookmatched top with less of the imprint/flaw on the bass side. That said, I would take the ugliest looking guitar that sounds beautiful, over a beautiful guitar that sounds ugly every single time.
 

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After 9 months, Schrodinger's guitar is finally here. It took a long time, and while I am not 100 percent happy with some of the visuals, acoustically, it is everything I wanted and more.

First up, the body wood. The back is not very heavily flamed. In fact, in pictures, it looks more like someone ran over a nice piece of plywood with a tire. In addition, the top is not a high end top. I get that Jumbos are big and that it's much harder for them to get a clear top, but these are obviously not bookmatched, and on the right treble side near the edge, there is a slight flaw from a small branch, or someone left something on the wood and it compressed slightly in that area prior to cutting, plaining, and finishing. Aside from that though, the grain is tight (very tight in the center) with very little runout. The sides though are flamed nicely and are a standout feature. Considering that most of what I will see is the fretboard and the sides of the guitar, I am okay with how it looks, but yes, I was expecting something a little higher quality in the looks department for a 4000+ guitar. IMO, I think Guild has dropped its standards.

What it lacks in looks though, it more than makes up in how it performs. I had it pleked and had a professional setup done on it. The action is spot on and I can easily barre the frets with very little effort. Yes, you know it's a 12 string, but it's no more difficult to play than any of my 6 strings. In fact, this will force me to get better as my finger placement has been a bit sloppy at times, This instrument will require me to be more accurate.


That said, it is a jumbo guitar, so it is big, and it is heavy. That's okay for me as I am a big guy (6' 2"), so it fits me easily, but I could see someone with shoulder/elbow problems or a smaller build struggling to play this. Maple is a hard, dense wood, and the construction methods Guild uses means it's even heavier. This thing weighs in at 5lb, 14 oz, so while it's no Les Paul in terms of weight, it's one pound heavier than a Taylor 814ce, and almost a pound and a quarter over the Martin D-28 in terms of heft, so if you are going to use this on stage, make sure you have a nice wide strap to help spread the load this will put on your shoulders.

The sound is crisp and clear, with high and sweet treble and shimmer, and a bass that is solid, bold, and not at all floppy or loose. It can play soft and delicate, or you can kick it up and let it fill an auditorium unamplified....all without buzz or sounding strained. This thing is an absolute cannon. And the sustain, my lord that thing has sustain for days. After playing my last chord, I just sat there and listened and I swear I could still hear it 15 seconds later, just ever so softly.

I've owned some good guitars, but none of them has offered the power, the clarity, the range, or the precision that this one does, much less all of them at once. Once I played it, I no longer cared about any perceived flaws in the wood. This is a players guitar. If the F-55 is anywhere close to this, then I should have gotten that over the Taylor 814ce I have. I still love my Taylor, but it doesn't have the range that the F512 has.

Oh yeah, this is a keeper.
The back is probably a single sheet of maple, but I'm sure the soundboard is bookmatched Sitka, Stonehauler. Unless I misread your first paragraph... If that's really not the case, then you might have cause for complaint. As for the single-piece (laminated) back, I've seen many that don't look figured, and many that do. In any case, I'm sorry your expectations weren't met. I agree that after waiting so long you should've received something eye-popping. :)
 

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The back is probably a single sheet of maple, but I'm sure the soundboard is bookmatched Sitka, Stonehauler. Unless I misread your first paragraph... If that's really not the case, then you might have cause for complaint. As for the single-piece (laminated) back, I've seen many that don't look figured, and many that do. In any case, I'm sorry your expectations weren't met. I agree that after waiting so long you should've received something eye-popping. :)
It's certainly ear-pleasing though. I auditioned a lot of 2512s when I was looking at a 12 string. None came close to this.

After looking at it again, it's possible it's bookmatched, but that the scar was mostly removed on the bass side as they sawed/prepared the wood
 
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I've had a couple of tops that I would have sworn weren't book matched, but that luthiers and more knowledgeable players have examined and explained that they were in fact book matched (and why it looked superficially why they weren't). These were on high-end guitars--in one case, an Orpheum. I'd be really surprised if your top wasn't book matched, but I'm sorry that it and the back aren't more visually pleasing. As you say, they should be, on such an expensive guitar.
 

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after further examination, it is possible that these are bookmatched and that the scar on the bass side was removed during sawing/finishing while some of it remained on the treble side, and on the right treble side near the edge, there is a slight flaw from a small branch,
That top is bookmatched. You see that "scar" on both trebble and bass sides, now mind that if that branch runs at an angle you have like two different positions if you cut it in the middle.

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Enjoy your new guitar!

Ralf
 
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