Taking Swing Lessons

Rich Cohen

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I had my first swing lesson this past Sunday via Zoom for one hour with Romain Vuillemin. He lives in Paris and Spain. Right off the bat I was able to learn some very useful techniques. Will repeat next Sunday. Here's a Youtube link to Romain playing. One of his seven guitars is a 1970s Guild Artist Award. The second video is of Romain playing his 1978 Guild Artist Award with "Moonlight in Vermont."



 
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That is so neat. Good luck with the lessons, and hope you enjoy every bit of them!
 

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First of all, Rich, I admire your striving to learn this advanced musical form. I'm curious, did you take this on with a working foundational skill level and knowledge of jazz chords? If you don't mind, what would a first lesson be like? Sounds challenging AND rewarding. I hope you really enjoy whatever you can get out of it.

Dave
 

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First of all, Rich, I admire your striving to learn this advanced musical form. I'm curious, did you take this on with a working foundational skill level and knowledge of jazz chords? If you don't mind, what would a first lesson be like? Sounds challenging AND rewarding. I hope you really enjoy whatever you can get out of it.

Dave
Jedzep (I like your ID), I've wanted to branch out from folk style for a long time (not that I don't still love folk style and the flat top guitar). First, I didn't understand the history of the archtop guitar and how important it was/is to the history of modern guitar styles. I was under the impression (delusion) that the archtop guitar was a weaker sounding version of the flat top guitar -- a poor cousin so to speak, and not so sophisticated as the flat top. That impression turned out to be far from the truth. I thought, without a round hole on the top, the power of the guitar's sound wouldn't truly escape from the body. I have learned that the archtop evolved during a specific period during the evolution of modern American music, based on the demands of the listening populace and the performers that played for them. And, that the archtop guitar continues to be played in all the styles it is capable of, which is to say practically everything -- depending on the inclination and skill of the player. Because the archtop's construction, when well made and in the hands of an excellent luthier, is formidable in standing up to all sorts of physical and environmental challenges/abuse, we are fortunate to be in a position to play archtops from the 20s onwards that have retained their playability and structural integrity. The challenge is that if you wish to play a beautifully preserved example of a 30s - 40s archtop, you need to be prepared to somewhere from 4,500 onwards, depending on the make, model and condition. Having said that, one can begin with small steps and pay less for a so-called "lesser known" brand form the same era. All I can say is, when it comes to the subject of vintage archtops, you get what you pay for in sound and tone, if you're careful about condition versus price.

Now, to answer your question about my skills. Yes, I have been playing folk style since about age 12 (off and on, more recently very much on). I also have a background in music study with the piano, clarinet, saxophone and guitar. So, it wasn't too intimidating for me to say "I want to learn jazz and swing style. My teacher, Romain Vuillemin, astute teacher that he is, immediately figured out where I am in terms of my skills, and led me in the right direction right away, last Sunday. Knowing where you are in your development and where you want to go is very important. Then, it comes down to practice, practice, practice, based on the belief that all of us are capable of achieving a goal if you set your mind to it!

I agree one can say that the style of swing/jazz guitar developed from the 20s and 30s onwards is perhaps a form of "advanced" guitar method compared to "cowboy chords" on the flat top. But, but, but, guitar playing styles are ultimately interrelated. What I mean to say is that whatever guitar skills you possess now can be extended and practically applied to almost any melody. Most importantly, one should not second guess one's guitar playing abilities, and realize that most of us are capable of advancing our skills by the good ol' fashion method of practicing the daylights out of the song and the guitar in your lap, while imagining accessing versions of the notes in other positions on the fretboard.

My apologies for this long digression.
 
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This is so cool Rich. Swing jazz on an old arch top is some of the most exquisite music that exists. Hats off to you. I will be watching l this thread and eagerly looking forward to more or your posts.
 

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Big thanks, Rich. Your apology falls on deaf ears, but good advice is well taken. I'm well into my 10,000 hours, yet I have squandered opportunities to really learn and apply, so I'll be 'winging it' in my golden playing years. My son is helping me with jazz voicings, but I'll stick with touching up my Paul Simon and Elvis Costello covers.

My 1st teacher, (YT video) began playing pedal steel in his father's western swing band sometime in the early 50's. I was 12 in '64 when he moved next door to serve his two year military service obligation in the USMA band at West Point. My dad, a sax and clarinet player, heard guitar sounds coming from next door and walked across the driveway to meet the new arrival. Long story short, he invited Buddy to join his band, so I got to watch an accomplished player work out songs with my father in our basement. When I expressed an interest in playing, suddenly there appeared an Orpheum archtop. Sadly, he wanted me to become Joe Pass, but I was wanting to be Brian Jones, so as the great George Thorogood said, 'out the door I went', but I got the basics and the 'bug' to play.

I believe the clip is from 10 years before we met. Last we spoke a few years back, he had put away all his guitars, likely selling his prized L5.



God, who did those awful arrangements?
 

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I've watched a lot of Romain's vids and he must have been reincarnated from a 1930's jazzbo. He even rocks a pencil moustache from time to time. Too cool.
 

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I was intrigued by swing for most of my life and have tried to learn several times, but found both left and right hand technique too daunting and theory too mind boggling to be enjoyable. Two years ago I met Marcy Marxer for some ukulele lessons, and I think she is also a recognized swing instructor in North America.
 

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Good for you to take on this stye and to commit to it by taking lessons.

I tend to dabble in different styles and pick up snippets from youtube. Not swing, but, I see some similarities to Tommy Emanuel and even Billy Strings, both guitarist whom I have been trying to parse but who are way too fast for me to play half the notes they are.
 

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I've always been intrigued by swing style 4 to the bar rhythm playing, and was getting into before I pretty much had to stop playing for a while. Getting back into it and using the time to build on this to get my chops back. Good luck with your efforts and your teacher.
 
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