It's planting season!
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Opsimath
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While I apreciate the suggestion, I don't think so. I have always greatly disliked food fights in movies and on TV. My first thought, even as a kid, what a waste of food. My second thought, somebody is going to have to clean that up! That said, I doubt I will ever grow 32,000 tomatoes so likely won't become a problem I would need to solve.
32,000 tomatoes: Salsa City!
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Isn't your wife She Who Must Be Obeyed? You are obviously one very intelligent individual!
I am the oldest and only brother to three sisters, father to two daughters, and a duly obedient spouse. I've always been adrift in The Sea of Estrogen.
I like to say I arrived to my marriage already house broken.
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Guildedagain
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Natural vs synthetic. Plants "may not know the difference but the USDA does" One application of synthetic fertilizer and your USDA Organic Certification is shot for three years.
At our local farmers market, they do blind taste tests between organic and non organic fruits and vegetables offered at the same market, and no one has ever got it wrong.
Berries, cherries, carrots, greens, all the organic produce tastes better, has more flavor because it has more nutrients from a healthy soil.
Info form this website;
www.milorganite.com
"Synthetic fertilizer feeds plants. Organic fertilizer feeds the soil"
Our food is so depleted of nutrients from "conventional" agriculture that according to famed food writer Michael Pollan "to get the nutritional value of one apple your grandma ate from a tree out back 100 years, you would have to eat 20 apples today to get the same amount of vitamins."
I maintained all of the equipment for a Certified Organic Farm with a CSA for 15 years. The food is incredibly superior to the stuff at the grocery stores, our berries actually have flavor. People go crazy for this stuff because their cells crave these nutrients for good health.
People living and working on the Organic Farm are the healthiest I've ever seen.
No one goes to the doctor.
We lost one member at 90 from old age, and he planted stuff and pulled weeds until he was 89.
That's it in 15 years.
By contrast, our local county cancer deaths account for 23% of the population, and our state average is 24%, and we have an opiate epidemic from old people in pain.
By contrast the Organic Farm has a few pot smokers, I've never seen or heard of a hard drug there.
No one working on the farm takes any doctor meds for anxiety, depression, ED, not even high blood pressure.
I haven't been in a doctors office in years and have zip for health insurance, not even worried about it.
At our local farmers market, they do blind taste tests between organic and non organic fruits and vegetables offered at the same market, and no one has ever got it wrong.
Berries, cherries, carrots, greens, all the organic produce tastes better, has more flavor because it has more nutrients from a healthy soil.
Info form this website;
Organic vs Synthetic Fertilizer | Milorganite
There are many differences between organic and synthetic fertilizers, including how nutrients are released, the impact on soil, and environmental effects.
"Synthetic fertilizer feeds plants. Organic fertilizer feeds the soil"
| Impact on Soil |
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Our food is so depleted of nutrients from "conventional" agriculture that according to famed food writer Michael Pollan "to get the nutritional value of one apple your grandma ate from a tree out back 100 years, you would have to eat 20 apples today to get the same amount of vitamins."
I maintained all of the equipment for a Certified Organic Farm with a CSA for 15 years. The food is incredibly superior to the stuff at the grocery stores, our berries actually have flavor. People go crazy for this stuff because their cells crave these nutrients for good health.
People living and working on the Organic Farm are the healthiest I've ever seen.
No one goes to the doctor.
We lost one member at 90 from old age, and he planted stuff and pulled weeds until he was 89.
That's it in 15 years.
By contrast, our local county cancer deaths account for 23% of the population, and our state average is 24%, and we have an opiate epidemic from old people in pain.
By contrast the Organic Farm has a few pot smokers, I've never seen or heard of a hard drug there.
No one working on the farm takes any doctor meds for anxiety, depression, ED, not even high blood pressure.
I haven't been in a doctors office in years and have zip for health insurance, not even worried about it.
FNG
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All that is probably true, but synthetic fertilizer doesn't destroy the microbacterial structure of soil. Nitrogen is nitrogen.Natural vs synthetic. Plants "may not know the difference but the USDA does" One application of synthetic fertilizer and your USDA Organic Certification is shot for three years.
At our local farmers market, they do blind taste tests between organic and non organic fruits and vegetables offered at the same market, and no one has ever got it wrong.
Berries, cherries, carrots, greens, all the organic produce tastes better, has more flavor because it has more nutrients from a healthy soil.
Info form this website;
Organic vs Synthetic Fertilizer | Milorganite
There are many differences between organic and synthetic fertilizers, including how nutrients are released, the impact on soil, and environmental effects.
"Synthetic fertilizer feeds plants. Organic fertilizer feeds the soil"
Impact on Soil
- Promotes a healthy soil ecosystem.
- Provides organic material that decomposes, releases nutrients plants can use and feeds vital microorganisms, all important for rich, fertile soil.
- Improves soil texture, which increases water retention, particularly important in drought conditions.
- Synthetic fertilizers contribute very little to the ecosystem or structure of the soil.
- May actually decrease soil fertility due to chemical nitrogen stimulating excessive microorganism growth, which, over time, depletes organic matter in the soil.
Our food is so depleted of nutrients from "conventional" agriculture that according to famed food writer Michael Pollan "to get the nutritional value of one apple your grandma ate from a tree out back 100 years, you would have to eat 20 apples today to get the same amount of vitamins."
I maintained all of the equipment for a Certified Organic Farm with a CSA for 15 years. The food is incredibly superior to the stuff at the grocery stores, our berries actually have flavor. People go crazy for this stuff because their cells crave these nutrients for good health.
People living and working on the Organic Farm are the healthiest I've ever seen.
No one goes to the doctor.
We lost one member at 90 from old age, and he planted stuff and pulled weeds until he was 89.
That's it in 15 years.
By contrast, our local county cancer deaths account for 23% of the population, and our state average is 24%, and we have an opiate epidemic from old people in pain.
By contrast the Organic Farm has a few pot smokers, I've never seen or heard of a hard drug there.
No one working on the farm takes any doctor meds for anxiety, depression, ED, not even high blood pressure.
I haven't been in a doctors office in years and have zip for health insurance, not even worried about it.
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- May actually decrease soil fertility due to chemical nitrogen stimulating excessive microorganism growth, which, over time, depletes organic matter in the soil.
Opsimath
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How high are your beds?
Sorry about the gopher problem but sounds like their efforts are soon to be thwarted. Good! Pests in the garden are no fun!
I want to turn a metal water trough into a rased bed type planter. It rusted/corroded on the inside so we stopped using it for the animals. I want to sand the inside to get some of the grunge off then spray primer. Drill holes for drainage. It's probably 2 1/2 feet tall so I need to come up with something to use for bottom filler that won't be terribly heavy. Then landscape fabric and dirt. That project is in the planning stages though. I need to measure the trough and do some figuring.
FNG
Enlightened Member
Natural vs synthetic. Plants "may not know the difference but the USDA does" One application of synthetic fertilizer and your USDA Organic Certification is shot for three years.
At our local farmers market, they do blind taste tests between organic and non organic fruits and vegetables offered at the same market, and no one has ever got it wrong.
Berries, cherries, carrots, greens, all the organic produce tastes better, has more flavor because it has more nutrients from a healthy soil.
Info form this website;
Organic vs Synthetic Fertilizer | Milorganite
There are many differences between organic and synthetic fertilizers, including how nutrients are released, the impact on soil, and environmental effects.
"Synthetic fertilizer feeds plants. Organic fertilizer feeds the soil"
Impact on Soil
- Promotes a healthy soil ecosystem.
- Provides organic material that decomposes, releases nutrients plants can use and feeds vital microorganisms, all important for rich, fertile soil.
- Improves soil texture, which increases water retention, particularly important in drought conditions.
- Synthetic fertilizers contribute very little to the ecosystem or structure of the soil.
- May actually decrease soil fertility due to chemical nitrogen stimulating excessive microorganism growth, which, over time, depletes organic matter in the soil.
Our food is so depleted of nutrients from "conventional" agriculture that according to famed food writer Michael Pollan "to get the nutritional value of one apple your grandma ate from a tree out back 100 years, you would have to eat 20 apples today to get the same amount of vitamins."
I maintained all of the equipment for a Certified Organic Farm with a CSA for 15 years. The food is incredibly superior to the stuff at the grocery stores, our berries actually have flavor. People go crazy for this stuff because their cells crave these nutrients for good health.
People living and working on the Organic Farm are the healthiest I've ever seen.
No one goes to the doctor.
We lost one member at 90 from old age, and he planted stuff and pulled weeds until he was 89.
That's it in 15 years.
By contrast, our local county cancer deaths account for 23% of the population, and our state average is 24%, and we have an opiate epidemic from old people in pain.
By contrast the Organic Farm has a few pot smokers, I've never seen or heard of a hard drug there.
No one working on the farm takes any doctor meds for anxiety, depression, ED, not even high blood pressure.
I haven't been in a doctors office in years and have zip for health insurance, not even worried about it.
Fact or Fake News: is our food becoming less nutritious?
Perhaps it’s just the time of year, or perhaps it’s the increasing popularity of plant-based diets, but the Twittersphere is once again ablaze with claims that our food is far less nutritious than it used to be. Is it true? Do we really have to eat twice as much broccoli? Have we killed the...
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Be careful, folks. My Moderator sense is tingling.
FNG
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Be careful about what? Honest question....
We're talking about agronomy.
We're talking about agronomy.
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"We're talking about agronomy" on a Guild site. A feature of recently closed and deleted threads has been strongly expressed differing opinions on a non-Guild subject.
The fact that a claim was made and the rebuttal asked the question of whether something was "fake news" is a common feature of hostile interchanges, regardless of the subject.
After reading the rebuttal it was not really clear to me that the cited expert actually addressed any of the strongly worded claims. This is a feature of trolling or people who are arguing for the sake of arguing and not trying to exchange information or just understand differing points of view.
No lines were crossed but things were getting close.
Asking a question or providing some commentary in addition to posting a rebuttal link would have sent a clearer message about intent.
FNG
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The subforum is titled Miscellaneous. Are you saying that non-Guild discussions are not allowed anywhere on the forum?
The "rebuttal" specifically responded to the point about the science regarding lower nutrients in food. I thought it was interesting. Why make a point or commentary since the article made the salient points?
I'm aware of the "no politics " rule, so I'm a little confused why you felt this had to be moderated.
Apologies to Cynthia in advance.
The "rebuttal" specifically responded to the point about the science regarding lower nutrients in food. I thought it was interesting. Why make a point or commentary since the article made the salient points?
I'm aware of the "no politics " rule, so I'm a little confused why you felt this had to be moderated.
Apologies to Cynthia in advance.
JohnW63
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Opsimath,
13 of the beds were made with 2X8 boards and one deeper one was made using 2X12 boards. They have dried up and shrunken since then, but you get the idea. It gets over 100 degrees here and is often breezy to windy, so the plants can get dried out leaves. We're trying to come up with some creative shade devices.
13 of the beds were made with 2X8 boards and one deeper one was made using 2X12 boards. They have dried up and shrunken since then, but you get the idea. It gets over 100 degrees here and is often breezy to windy, so the plants can get dried out leaves. We're trying to come up with some creative shade devices.
JohnW63
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FGN,
I suspect the caution given was about the fertilizer direction of your post and links that mention fake news.
I suspect the caution given was about the fertilizer direction of your post and links that mention fake news.
Guildedagain
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I knew we were veering into hot underlying hot topics, so apologies for that, and I'm glad that we can all share our beliefs peacefully.
There as as many truths as there are people.
To me Organic vs non Organic is like Guild vs Gibson, I prefer one over the other for a variety of reasons, but it's no reason to fight.
FNG, I appreciate your differing opinion, because we all have a lot to learn from each other, and I learned things from your linked article.\
Anyone growing asparagus?
There as as many truths as there are people.
To me Organic vs non Organic is like Guild vs Gibson, I prefer one over the other for a variety of reasons, but it's no reason to fight.
FNG, I appreciate your differing opinion, because we all have a lot to learn from each other, and I learned things from your linked article.\
Anyone growing asparagus?
Are you saying the fertilizer almost hit the air circulator?
Guildedagain
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Yes ;]
Opsimath
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Thinking about garlic. I missed our November plant time. Since it needs a long time in cold ground (which I didn't know was the reason for November planting), I wonder if I could use a container with a lid, fill it with dirt, stick some garlic in, and keep it in the fridge for two or three months, then plant outside or in a pot. Do I even need the dirt? Could I just keep it in the fridge for a while then plant? Maybe I'll try both and see if either will work.
Opsimath
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Fourteen beds sounds like a good bit of growing room. How much of your food are you able to grow?
My goal is to stay out of the produce department except for things that won't grow here.