GAD 30 R weird label

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Hi all,

I'm considering getting this guitar here but I'm very confused about the label.

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What I would expect to see is the following:

  • "ASB" for Antique Sunburst and not ATB for Antique Burst
  • The GAD label which says "Handcrafted in China" and not this label here stating "Crafted in New Hartford, CT"
This is a 3rd hand guitar. The owner let me know that the previous owner changed the pickguard and that this guitar is from 2006.

Appart from the label, it pretty much looks like the GAD 30 R.

Another weird thing is that it's advertised ad Guild GAD F-30 R. But there doesn't seem to be GAD F-30 R guitars but only GAD 30 R or Guild F-30 R. Another point of confusion.

What do you think about the label? I'll talk about this with the owner but wanted to have some ideas as to why this is the seemingly wrong label.

Best,

Alex
 

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A quick and unresearched answer might be: designed and planned on paper in New Hartford but built in China.
OR China could be responsible for it all as patents and copy rights mean very little to them.
 
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I would basically expect a label like this:
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It's very weird, because it looks like someone, I don't think it's the current owner, wanted to make it look like it's been produced in the US and not in China. But then, there's no effect on the price now. Also, the current owner accurately told me on the phone that it's been produced in China.
 
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I think someone is attempting to fool someone, as I always suspect when I see mislabeling like this. That's my guess anyway. The price should be commensurate with other GAD30R models, in which case I'd forget about the label.
 

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I think someone is attempting to fool someone, as I always suspect when I see mislabeling like this. That's my guess anyway. The price should be commensurate with other GAD30R models, in which case I'd forget about the label.

Agreed. Some shenanigans happened somewhere, but at least it's obvious to see.

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Alex, first, welcome to LTG!!

There's no truss rod cover or truss rod accessible from the headstock, which means it's Asian built. Access to the TR is through the soundhole. Not sure where that label came from. Something is off about it......

That aside if the price is right and you like the way it sounds, those early GAD's from China are very nice and respected guitars. All solid wood and they have a really good reputation. I've mostly seen ATB for Antique Burst, but the color of this one looks to be more like ITB, or Iced Tea Burst. Not sure if they used that designation on GADs. ATB is MUCH darker. How does it sound??
 
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That "New Hartford" label is not a "New Hartford" label either. It's a pretty good fake label but not good enough...

Look: The fonts are wrong, too small, distances to edges are wrong (I marked this in blue).
Compare also the little R in the circle infront of GAD or NP. Very clean on the right original New Hartford label, almost unreadable in the fake label on the left.
Somebody at least used a very clean and nice handwriting to copy the numbers! Might be the original numbers from the old label. But that random GAD60630 number has no meaning to owners anyway as the real intersting number with production year info is stamped on the neck heel inside. I just noticed, the correct "GAD60630" number on a Chinese label would have the "GAD-60630" written with hyphen.

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So somebody created a blank label (that looks almost real!) that he sticked inside a GAD model to make it look like made in USA.

Nothing wrong with the GAD guitar itself, that seems to be an original GAD-30R model and no fake. (correct case, correct color, fingerboard inlays, headstock...)

The color is called "Amber Burst", which was a 2005-2008 color used, so that is the timeframe when this guitar was made. The number on the neck block would show it exactly. On the left side is such one with the original pickguard, sompared to the one in question:

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The below is already from the 2009 catalog which shows the darker Antique Burst.


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Ralf
 
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Someone somewhere at some point did some work to try to fool someone! Kudos to the seller you are dealing with for their honesty. I hope no one who owned it before got scammed.

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Clearly a misrepresentation regardless of asking price. Strike one.
 

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I like the replacement pickguard better than the original.

And yes D-30 that case is what the Orphs should have used!
 

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A quick and unresearched answer might be: designed and planned on paper in New Hartford but built in China.
Don't think they introduced that linguistic charade until Oxnard for the Westerly collection[/quote]
OR China could be responsible for it all as patents and copy rights mean very little to them.
Not in this case, where they're contract manufacturing for Guild, who also mandates the labelling.

Kudos to Ralf noting it's actually a counterfeit label. My initial suspicion was that "yes it's a replacement" but I wondered where they had obtained a "blank" to use.
 
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