Need some HELP with DeArmond Pickups

I just pulled a pair of DeArmonds out of the parts drawer. I know that these pickups have been in that drawer for at least 25 years.
They are the white bobbin Guild pickups, but they do not have the impressed DeArmond Rowe on the back. Was this common for Guild.
The DeArmonds on my 3 Gretschs are all stamped. I have looked on line at pictures and can't really tell what's up. Anybody have the true story.

Post pics if you can.

OK. Here are photos. The white ones are for my Guild. The black ones are for my Gretsch.

Obviously fake. I'll give you $50 for the pair, pay for shipping too.

I guess I've never seen the back of there before... Can we see the top side also?

Spring loaded adjustable slugs?

Here's the top.
It looks just like a DeArmond pickup

Are they stamped on the side of the gold ring?

NO. I know how the repos are stamped and these are not. I was looking on line at photos and I saw a photo of a early 60's Starfire and it showed it having unmarked pickups. It had been for sale, but item was no longer available. These are brand new and as you can see, never wired. I got them many years ago when Guild had something to do in Milwaukee, I think they were involved with North Shore Music. NSM also was doing something with VOX.

Interesting to see the added holes on the end sides of the white pickups. Never seen that before.
M

I was kidding, obviously. I'm 99.9% sure your pickups are the real thing. The extra holes, if anything, give them more Guild NOS cred : Guild has used different ways of putting these on guitars, in the late 60's you do see them sitting in Guild-factory made rings that cover the humbucker holes.

The holes in the middle of the rings have gold plating in them just like the outside mounting holes, so I guess they were meant to be there for something. Height adjustment???
Is it possible that these are the DeArmonds Guild used in the mid 80's reissue DE500's???

Never had a guitar with these in it, what are they like?

The best thing to do is hear them.
Google up Duane Eddy and some old Chet Atkins were he is playing his 6120.
Best pickups ever.

Chicken Picker said:

The holes in the middle of the rings have gold plating in them just like the outside mounting holes, so I guess they were meant to be there for something. Height adjustment???
Is it possible that these are the DeArmonds Guild used in the mid 80's reissue DE500's???

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Great question. Here's one that 2nevets had for sale on Reverb for a while. I don't think these have those holes.

Great Looking guitar.
I have looked a so many pictures, the center holes are a mystery.
Where is Hans Moust when you need him. He IS the expert.

Chicken Picker said:

Great Looking guitar.
I have looked a so many pictures, the center holes are a mystery.
Where is Hans Moust when you need him. He IS the expert.

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Well, he is here. Maybe he hasn't seen the Bat err... Hans Signal yet.

I pulled an old DeA pickup out. I think it was from an early SF1.
It shows the DeArmond markings on the back side.
M

Chicken Picker said:

I have looked a so many pictures, the center holes are a mystery.

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After the '50s DeArmond came out with a lot of variations of the Model 2000 pickup; not so much the 'guts' of the pickup as well as the shape and style of the metal cover that dictated the way the pickup could be mounted.
The 'original' style was the surface mounted cover with the four screws at the corners of the flange, but because of the height of the cover they could not be mounted on instruments that had a rather low bridge profile.

During the early '60s Guild already used DeArmond 2000 pickups on some of their M-75 Aristocrat models that had a somewhat trimmed cover that allowed them to mount the pickup below the surface of the guitar top. One of those setups is pictured on page 71 of 'The Guild Guitar Book'.

Towards the end of the '60s Guild also mounted DeArmond pickups in mounting rings on a limited number of thinline archtop electrics that were already routed for a different style pickup. These mounting rings were slightly oversized simply to cover the 'original' pickup cavity.

Here's what this set up would look like:



The pickups posted by the OP could be this style of pickup, but that doesn't completely answer the question re. the DeArmond name, or in this case the absence of the DeArmond name on the backside of the pickups.
I've seen several different styles of DeArmond 2000 pickups without this marking on the back; I actually have a number of them in my possession. I have some ideas but right now I do not know exactly what period they are all from or whether or not they are from one specific period. Some of them I got in the big load of Guild parts that I got after the closure of the Westerly plant in 2001.

The pickups in the photo of the Starfire IV that I posted above did have the DeArmond marking on the back though!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

What is the impedance and height of your pickups? That could tell us all something...

gilded

Both pickup read out at 11.9 ohms. Pickup heights are 7/16" and 5/8" tall.
Thanks Mr. Moust. I figured you would know what was going on.