On the naming of things

See https://letstalkguild.com/ltg/index.php?threads/forum-related-lingo-faq.166720/ which contains acronyms and lingo often used at LTG. Anyone who wants to propose edits may certainly do so, but this thread was started to develop some specific definitions because some of us LIKE that.

LTG user names sometimes get made into verbs - generally <name>'d with Hans'd and Ralf'd being the two most common.

Generally a poster has been <name>'d when the poster makes an incorrect statement and is corrected in the same thread by a post from <name>.

<name> almost always has a reputation for accurate knowledge. <name> knows things that the poster does not or knows things that the poster has forgotten or <name> finds things faster and in more detail than everyone else who looks. <name> tends to have patience with fools and fading memories and the intent of <name>'s post is to increase the level of knowledge and not just to "score points" on the poster.

<name>'d is also being used when <name> replies within a few moments of a poster replying. If the poster is wrong then they have been pre-emptively <name>'d but if the post is redundant, because of similar content, or even helpful because there is additional content it is not clear whether <name>'d applies or not.

So how do we define <name>'d? Is the timing of posts a factor?

Is limiting <name> to Hans and Ralf appropriate at this time or are there others who fit the definition?

@walrus and @AcornHouse may have something to say

Well said. I have nothing to say here, but I like reading what others say.

I agree with everything in your well-thought out and entertaining post, frono! Well done!

So how do we define <name>'d? Is the timing of posts a factor?

I think timing matters - you can't be <name>'d if you post the correct answer before <name> posts it. In fact, you should be congratulated.

Is limiting <name> to Hans and Ralf appropriate at this time or are there others who fit the definition?

With all due respect to other members, this is IMO the limit. At least right now. For example, it is clear no one will be "walrus'd" any time soon. The only exception might be twofold: questions about the inner workings of LTG itself and/or questions about any piece of equipment he has reviewed opens the possibility of being <GAD>'d.

walrus

I'm afraid to respond. I might get Frono'd.

Well you really don't want to be Dreaded.

...or F... 3D'ed

I'm really big in the loan industry, or so I've heard.

I may have a less popular feeling here, but I think the operative verb might just be "hans, hansing, or hansed". Please note this isn't out of disrespect for Ralf - here's how I see it: Ralf can hans somebody by correcting them! Hans can hans anybody and everybody including Ralf. Hans is unhansable by default - or anybody else for that matter. With the knowledge base here, there's potential for many members to correct others. How many times have we seen Grot, donnylang, GG, Wiley -countless members who's knowledge and experience benefit the forum.

We can't all be verbs. Hans is like Google. He's made the dictionary.

Would Axl Rose by any other name still smell so bad?
I'm washing my Hans of the whole affair.

I can see the application of other members, and not just of the corrective definition. For example, after posting the pic or an ad of a rare model, who hasn’t been Grot’d by his posting pic(s) of the same model(s) from his collection. It should apply to anyone who is known for doing something. Hans, of course, will always remain the Platonic ideal to which all will be compared. (I edited my prepositional ending lest I get Frono’d.)

No one Hans’s but Hans.

No one Ralf's but Ralf.

They’re very different things.

dreadnut said:

Well you really don't want to be Dreaded.

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Or Dreadnuted.....

While we are having fun one of the reasons for updating the Lingo FAQ is we get new members who ask about terms and this can help them.

Can a poster be Hans'd by anyone other than Hans?

Suppose:

I assert that there were no M-85-II hollow body basses with Guild humbuckers and that all hollow versions had Bisonics.

Grot responds with a picture of his hollow body M-85-II with Guild humbuckers.

Do "we say Frono got Hans'd by Grot" or "Frono was Grot'd"?

If the response did not have a picture but merely a statement such as "We've talked about this before and you have seen pictures of mine" would the answer change?

In a world where words can have first, second and even third definitions, I'm thinking the first definition of Hans'd is when a poster posts something that was factually incorrect and they were corrected in a post by Hans - the poster was Hans'd.

The second definition might be the same except the poster making the correction was not Hans but someone else - Grot Hans'd Fro.

We can come back later to revisit Ralf'd. To me there is a difference between being Hans'd and being Ralf'd. Hans uses his encyclopedic knowledge. Ralf could be using prior knowledge but often he is using results of research he performed since the post being corrected was made.

I am having fun splitting hairs because I have so few of them.

I prefer to spit hares myself.

I'm sticking with my original suggestion:

gjmalcyon said:

I think you just created a new class of LTG merit badges.

You get one once you've been Hans'd, Ralf'd, or Frono'd.

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Those are three very different things in my mind and you very nicely differentiated between the first two of them in the same way I do.

As far as being Frono'd, I sincerely hope I never poke the bear enough for that.

I feel like I'm editing a Wikipedia article on fusion.

adorshki said:

I prefer to spit hares myself.

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No guitar, but there's a foot.

Opsimath said:

No guitar, but there's a foot.

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Oops.

zulu said:

I may have a less popular feeling here, but I think the operative verb might just be "hans, hansing, or hansed". Please note this isn't out of disrespect for Ralf - here's how I see it: Ralf can hans somebody by correcting them! Hans can hans anybody and everybody including Ralf. Hans is unhansable by default - or anybody else for that matter. With the knowledge base here, there's potential for many members to correct others. How many times have we seen Grot, donnylang, GG, Wiley -countless members who's knowledge and experience benefit the forum.

We can't all be verbs. Hans is like Google. He's made the dictionary.

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<sarcasm>Thanks for throwing that "anyone else" in there. I feel better now.</sarcasm>

fronobulax said:

Can a poster be Hans'd by anyone other than Hans?

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IMO, no.

fronobulax said:

Suppose:


I assert that there were no M-85-II hollow body basses with Guild humbuckers and that all hollow versions had Bisonics.

Grot responds with a picture of his hollow body M-85-II with Guild humbuckers.

Do "we say Frono got Hans'd by Grot" or "Frono was Grot'd"?

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IMO, no.

fronobulax said:

If the response did not have a picture but merely a statement such as "We've talked about this before and you have seen pictures of mine" would the answer change?

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IMO, no.

And I agree being Ralf'd vs. being Hans'd are different, but not by much. It doesn't matter how/where they get their information, both are equally impressive. Of course, Hans gets the edge because he's Hans. IMO.

My question is this - how is one frono'd? When he replies to a post as he did here (#13) that is wildly detailed and almost makes your brain explode? But who did he frono? Himself?

This is hurting my head.

walrus