chazmo
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Duplicates and a gappy list. If they leave a year code on there that'll help but it's a pretty minor point. I definitely like the plaque thing. That's an improvement
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Duplicates and a gappy list. If they leave a year code on there that'll help but it's a pretty minor point. I definitely like the plaque thing. That's an improvement
Sal
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Boy, this new paper label kinda reminds me of the Josh Davis Band designed counterfeit Guild labels; some of you folks might remember that strange episode.
http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/archive/index.php/t-181035.html
http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/archive/index.php/t-181035.html
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SFIV1967
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Have a look here: http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sh...ly-Collection-Serial-Number-quot-Decoder-quot
I found real serial numbers of an Oxnard made Cordoba Torres and a Hauser model:
81300055, 81500363
It looks like: 8 digit serial number, starts with 8 = Oxnard, 13 or 15 is manufacturing year, the last 5 digits are the running numbers for a max of 99,999 guitars per year. (thats a good goal for the Cordoba Oxnard custom shop!)
And at least their labels show "Handcrafted in Oxnard, CA" ! See: http://www.xguitars.com/prodimages/...on-spruce-top-classical-guitar-label-1600.jpg
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GGJaguar
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but Oxnard serial numbers don't use the Julian date encoded into the serial number as done in Tacoma and New Hartford. Instead, it appears to be YYxxxx where YY deontes the year and xxxx is simply a running total of guitars produced. So, C171484 is a guitar made in 2017 and is the 1484th guitar made in Oxnard. The highest s/n I've seen is C205879 meaning that there have been at least 5879 guitars made in Oxnard since production began there in 2016.
chazmo
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Yeah, GG, I think that's right. I'm not sure if we know for sure if the numbers are sequential, but the evidence was pointing that way. Definitely not a Julian date.
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GGJaguar
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Well, it looks like the Oxnardians reset their serial number format for 2022. I wonder if they will just have the running total for each year from now on instead of an "all time" running total encoded in the serial number like they did from 2016-21?
chazmo
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Good sleuthing, GG. Four digits could be reset annually, but I'm guessing it's just running over like an odometer. The only real issue here for uniqueness will be if they ever ramp up to over 10K units in a year. Or, I suppose, there'll be an issue in 100 years, but hey we sure won't be around to worry about it. 
The reason they may have wound it forward to 0000 for 2022 might be that they thought they'd go over 10K units during this year and would end up having some serial numbers that were lower later in the year and higher earlier in the year.... Dunno.
The reason they may have wound it forward to 0000 for 2022 might be that they thought they'd go over 10K units during this year and would end up having some serial numbers that were lower later in the year and higher earlier in the year.... Dunno.
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So that's weird, they focus on one size, or model at a time? Looking at that my brain says they started with M20 and built 104 and then moved on to producing the F 512 etc. Is that right or am I reading things wrong?? Any reason they can't build two different models concurrently?
GGJaguar
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Well, yes and no. They may serialize guitars in batches (probably before they are even made), but that doesn't mean they are made in batches. I have no idea how production works in Oxnard so maybe they make them in batches, too. And without more serial numbers there's no way to know how big those batches are.
chazmo
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I don't think you should make that assumption. There is certainly no reason why they can't build different models concurrently.
GG may be right above about them making things in batches, and that seems to be true from what we've seen. But the only thing you can really glean from the serial number is the year. I'd imagine that consecutive serial numbers would imply back-to-back on the shop floor, but I'm not 100% sure about that. We've seen that with the 70th anniversary D-55s, for example, but another possibility is that they just reserved a range of serial numbers for those... I.e., I do think it's likely that they serialize them in order of production, but I don't think we're 100% sure. We need a factory visit!!!
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No Doubt!! Count me in if it gets arrangedWe need a factory visit!!!
chazmo
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I was heavily motivated years ago when I pushed hard to get us (LTG) into New Hartford. The four events we had there over the years were just wonderful, Boneman. It's because I tweaked the general manager there by writing him letters that he finally wanted to shut me up and we got our (collective) foot in the door. Fender was not inclined to support this kind of thing, but the gang in New Hartford really made it happen. They had been heavily involved with the Ovation and Hamer fan clubs before us, and they had great experience doing a fan club event...No Doubt!! Count me in if it gets arranged
Anyway, I don't know if Cordoba has any such motivation (or annoying fans like me) to push, plus they are now owned by Yamaha... I have no idea what Yamaha will promulgate as their corporate parent going forward. LTG needs someone to beat down the doors and pave the way. It won't be me though since I don't live out there. Helping to plan an event remotely is not really my forte.
But it's been TEN long years since we all got together at Guild, and I find it sad that there's been no outreach from CMG to make it happen.
Rob Reilly
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Thanks GG for that serial number list.
It answered my question as to where and when my F512 serial no. C195216 was built.
The first 2019 listed is 3345, but this is lower than 3553 the last 2018.
The first in 2020 also drops in sequence from the last 2019.
But assuming it is right, and the last 2019 listed is 5468, then approximately 2100 - 2200 guitars built that year. Does that sound reasonable?
It answered my question as to where and when my F512 serial no. C195216 was built.
The first 2019 listed is 3345, but this is lower than 3553 the last 2018.
The first in 2020 also drops in sequence from the last 2019.
But assuming it is right, and the last 2019 listed is 5468, then approximately 2100 - 2200 guitars built that year. Does that sound reasonable?
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GGJaguar
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That table is just an example and is far from complete. My (current) guess is that between 1900 and 2000 were made in 2019.