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Hans has a pic of him playing an F-212XL, but this looks like it might be even wider. But it doesn’t have all the bling of a 612.
 

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Early F-212XL before it got the Chesterfield inlay? (looks too big to be a 212 or 312)
 

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Tim loved Guilds and had at least 4 and probably at least a couple more
Pretty darn sure it's one of his F212's. (16" lower 'bout 'hog body based on F47, introduced along with rosewood-bodied F312 in late '64.)
From post #9 in this thread http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?182044-Tim-Buckley-on-Guild-12-What-model-and-year:
Tim-Buckley.jpg

'Hog sides easy to see there, and note early F212's didn't even get dot markers or chesterfields.
This one has darker-stained sides though, and no chesterfield.
Also played it on the very last episode of the Monkees:
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One thing I noticed when I first saw that episode a couple of years back is that the pickguard shapes don't match!

We can rule out his F212XL:
Was a single 'guard sunburst as noted in that thread, and it's just plain too big to be an F112.
And "FWIW" the F212XL doesn't even show up in the '65-66, '67, or '68 catalogs so pretty sure these vids are too early for it to be one..
EDIT:
Actually just saw F212XL's on the '67 price list so it could be one, not sure if there's a way to be sure without fancy body metric software...now I'm wondering if those mis-matched 'guards might be a clue.
And his F512's are readily ID'd by the block markers and G-shield.

From the album that put him over the top, Happy Sad, "Strange Feelin'":

Owes a lot I think to Miles Davis' "All Blues":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgeF3wS0xTI

Which btw is another example of how much influence Miles Davis' 1959 Kind of Blue had on the '60's "psychedelic folk rock jazz scene".
(Duane Allman once said he played it for hours daily and that it was a major stylistic influenced on him).
:smile:
 
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i always heard he had an F212, not XL. but not sure.
 

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i always heard he had an F212, not XL. but not sure.
Think I was adding the link to the previous thread on his Guilds while you were composing this, but just to make it easy:
http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?182044-Tim-Buckley-on-Guild-12-What-model-and-year:
But now not sure what the specific double-guarded 12-er in the OP may be.
Still kinda leaning toward F212 as I don't think the body outline's quite right for an F212xl even though Hans has confirmed he had at least one.
 

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I had an F212XL once, these are monster body guitars. huge.
 

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I'm betting a coca-cola it's a 212XL. Any takers?
 

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I'm betting a coca-cola it's a 212XL. Any takers?

I'd pay for a Coke just to see a good proof.
:smile:
Remember this is the one with the mis-matched guards that's in question.
Gotta admit it looks about as big as the known F-512 but not sure if there's any way to be sure without a biometric photo analysis and can't even find his height on the web.
Nor did I find any mention of specific models on the best site about him I know of:
http://timbuckley.net/guitar_tabs/dream_letter1/buzzin_fly.shtml

Granted I only skimmed a few of the many links there.
 
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A lot of people also say F-312 but to me the inside looks like hog and the outside could be just very dark stained hog to me. So it would be a normal mid 60ies F-212. If it would be indeed rosewood it would be a F-312.



Ralf
 

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A lot of people also say F-312 but to me the inside looks like hog and the outside could be just very dark stained hog to me. So it would be a normal mid 60ies F-212. If it would be indeed rosewood it would be a F-312.



Ralf


I like it, wish I'd thought of that!
I was also suspecting the F212 was likely the most common at the time ('67-68), easy to come by, and suspect the F212xl and F312 were much less common.
 

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oh the camera-work.

LOL

changing my vote to a dbl pg F212XL
 

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Pearwood anyone?

Ralph
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Highly doubt it, only ever heard of it on the D44 as far as flattops.
Never heard of it being used on a 12-er, especially that early, although it was being used on the MarkIV classical at the time.
I get the impression it wasn't readily available.
 

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adorshki said:
Highly doubt it, only ever heard of it on the D44 as far as flattops.
Never heard of it being used on a 12-er, especially that early, although it was being used on the MarkIV classical at the time.
I get the impression it wasn't readily available.

Read page 128 of 'The Guild Guitar Book'.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl
 

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It all makes sense now, 6 strings one pickguard, 12 strings two pickguards.

The song is about unrequited love for a guitar, "Here I am, waiting to hold you" ;)))
 
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