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    Older D-40s vs. new Oxnard Traditional

    Being fairly new to Guilds, here's a question to all the D-40 players...

    These new Oxnard D-40 Trads have the spruce top and the adirondack spruce bracing, supposedly adds more bottom end.

    The new "standard" D-40 has just the normal "red" spruce bracing.

    When they call these "Traditional", are they referring to being traditional to the older D-40s? or maybe to the traditional Martin-esque dreadnaught?

    I can hear the difference between the newer versions, but do older Guild D-40s sound more like (and built like) the "standard" or the "Traditional"?

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    Welcome aboard, Ben. To my knowledge "red" spruce and "Adirondack" spruce are one and the same. At least for Guild. It's possible that's changed, but I seem to remember them always describing Adirondack as just red spruce.

    When Oxnard has used "Traditional" in the name, they have remained mostly true to the design and construction techniques of the past USA-built Guilds (dovetail neck, NCL lacquer, for example). The models which aren't traditional vary in a variety of ways from what came before. They're *not* talking about Martin or anything but Guild history here.

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    Also...be aware that even the higher-priced Oxnard "Traditionals" have back and sides of "African Mahogany," which really is not mahogany, but another wood with a similar look and approximate sound signature.

    From The Wood Database in reference to "African Mahogany": Comprised of a handful of species from the Khaya genus, all of which are native to Africa. Sometimes lacks the deeper reddish brown color and durability that is common for true mahogany in the Swietenia genus. Botanically, Khaya is a part of the MeliaceŠ family, which not only includes mahoganies, but also Sapele (Entandrophragma cylindricum), and a host of other commercial species. Considered to be a valid substitute for Honduran Mahogany (Swietenia macrophylla), otherwise known as “Genuine Mahogany.”

    Correct me if I am wrong, but the New Hartford builds were Honduran Mahogany, no?
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    Sorry for double post...can a mod remove the first one?
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    Sorry if ya'll are tired of hearing me say this. BUT, my Oxnard built D 40 Traditional Custom guitars are the best D 40's I have ever played. I have two now and treasure them both. To be fair, I also have 2 vintage Westerly D 40's that are also superb and a Westerly D 40-12 that is tons of fun. But, if I were forced to choose, the Oxnard D 40's would be far and away my 1st choice.
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    Generally, in the New Hartford days, Traditional meant specs and construction reminiscent of Westerly era. Standard meant they had changed something in a way that made it more "modern"or cheaper to produce. Satin necks are the one thing I am sure of but I think bracing was different as well. The nut width in a NH F-30 Traditional is 1 11/16" compared to 1 3/4" on a NH F-30 Standard.

    I don't know what Oxnard is up to but it makes sense that "Traditional" refers to Guild's history and not the marketplace as suggested elsewhere.
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    Traditional in NH speak had the Chesterfield logo, sometimes a back binding and the aforementioned glossy neck. Oxnard seems to be doing the same save for the "standards" are now satin overall.

    I've never had the opportunity to play a Westerly D-40 but would love to A-B one w/ mine.

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    A lot of factors go into the sound a guitar produces. Am sure as they roll off the assembly line - the body, neck, fretboard, and headstock, on a particular guitar, are not all consecutive SNs. The labels might be.
    Having bought guitars from Richard, I found one consistent truth-the ones I bought from him were physically and tonally better than he described.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beecee View Post
    I want to meet Richards Oxnard D-40's in a dark alley some night....I'll take 'em both on w/my New Hartford D-40......punk.
    Bwahahaha ... 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by beecee View Post
    Traditional in NH speak had the Chesterfield logo, sometimes a back binding and the aforementioned glossy neck. Oxnard seems to be doing the same save for the "standards" are now satin overall.

    I've never had the opportunity to play a Westerly D-40 but would love to A-B one w/ mine.

    and....

    I want to meet Richards Oxnard D-40's in a dark alley some night....I'll take 'em both on w/my New Hartford D-40......punk.
    Mine would beat yours up They are quite violent.
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    '13 Orph. Jumbo
    45th/50th/60th Anniv.
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