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    Pickup for a 12 String Acoustic

    o.k., so most of you know have come to realize that I am truly ignorant and my knowledge base is small.

    That being said, do you need a special pickup for a 12 string or not???? Also, do any of you have a recommendation for such pickup. I'm thinking for my D 40-12 and possibly for my F 312 if it turns out really good after the repair/restoration. (which I suspect it will)
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    '94 DV 72
    '94 DV 73
    '10 F 40 GSR Cocobolo
    '12 F 47 GSR KC
    '08 F 50R
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    '74 D 55-12
    '07 F 412
    '74 F 512
    '83 G 45
    '87 GF 50R
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardp69 View Post
    o.k., so most of you know have come to realize that I am truly ignorant and my knowledge base is small.
    I'd say I'm in that same boat as you, but I've heard nothing but good things about the K&K pure mini. I'd be surprised if it wouldn't work fine on a 12-string.



    This place says "Pickups for 12-string guitars... can use many of the pickups used for standard 6-string guitars." And then they show you five pages of the following types:

    • Undersaddle pickups - Typically using a longer string spacing and wider saddle width than a 6-string guitar
    • Contact sensors - Mounted to the soundboard, bridge or bridge plate
    • Soundhole pickups - Magnetic pickups inserted into the soundhole
    • Microphones - Condensor mics attached inside or outside the guitar
    2011 Guild F50R Sunburst
    2002 Guild JF30-12 Sunburst
    1991 Guild JF30-12 Ltd. Ed. Wood Grain Blue
    2018 Gibson Ltd. Ed. Songwriter Deluxe 12-string
    2015 Martin GPC12PA4 12-string
    
1972 Epiphone FT-160 12-string
    2012 Epiphone Dot CH

    2010 Epiphone Les Paul Standard trans amber 

    2013 Yamaha Motif XS7

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    My K&K mini works great in my 1971 F-412.
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    Kk sounds do offer a pure western pickup for 12 strings too https://kksound.com/products/purepickup.php

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    On the recommendation of my luthier, who put a K&K Pure mini in my G37, I went with a K&K Pure Mini for my 412. Not the 12-string version , the regular one. I am less than happy with it. It does not pick up the high e strings as well as it should and that could just be a positioning problem. However, while my pure mini equipped G37 dreadnaught sounds fantastic plugged into a good PA, the 412 sounds just OK. Now the 412 sounds fantastic unplugged so I am thinking of changing the pick up to try and get more of the fantastic out of the 12-string when it is amplified.
    Last edited by crank; 07-11-2019 at 03:33 PM.

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    I am very pleased with the K&K mini in my Larrivee 12. It works well straight into the amp but really shines with a separate preamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardp69 View Post
    o.k., so most of you know have come to realize that I am truly ignorant and my knowledge base is small.

    That being said, do you need a special pickup for a 12 string or not???? Also, do any of you have a recommendation for such pickup. I'm thinking for my D 40-12 and possibly for my F 312 if it turns out really good after the repair/restoration. (which I suspect it will)
    I have the DTAR - multi-source, just like the ones that came in all my other Guilds. Love it!
    2011 F-212XL(w/D-TAR)
    2011 F-47RC (w/D-TAR)
    2012 F-30 Aragon (w/D-TAR)
    2013 D-55 (w/D-TAR)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gibsonjunkie View Post
    I have the DTAR - multi-source, just like the ones that came in all my other Guilds. Love it!
    Pretty compelling point there......
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    Quote Originally Posted by markus View Post
    Kk sounds do offer a pure western pickup for 12 strings too … https://kksound.com/products/purepickup.php

    Markus
    Markus, good call. I think that might be a "newer" product from K&K, as in something introduced in the past 10 years or so. The description sounds like it might address some of the "fullness" of the sound that you'd want with a 12er.

    I like the PW mini on my F-512. Don't love it. Tremendous value, but my two observations about using it on stage are that it sounds a little bit quacky and feedback is an issue (probably the nature of the F-512 beast anyway). I'm a novice performer and really not sure what to expect re: feedback with an F-512.

    I actually have the K&K preamp box, but I've never used it. Maybe I should.

    Crank's observations about the K&K are very interesting, I will say that a multi-source system like the DTAR (now Seymour-Duncan) really caught my ear a few years ago in New Hartford. I don't know how it sounds on a 12-string (nobody had one), but it was heaven on the 6. I suspect a microphonic source would really help with quack and fullness on a 12-string too, but can't speak first-hand.
    Last edited by chazmo; 07-11-2019 at 12:42 PM.
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    2006 F-512 (Tacoma),
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    Quote Originally Posted by markus View Post
    Kk sounds do offer a pure western pickup for 12 strings too https://kksound.com/products/purepickup.php
    Interesting! Didn't know that.

    "Pure 12-String: 3-head transducer for 12-string acoustic guitar. The larger pickup heads produce an extra strong bass response and pronounced midrange that sounds great in 12-string guitars and is a good alternative for guitars with heavy spruce tops and maple bridge plates."

    Ralf

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