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Thread: 1960'/70s single pickup "SG style" Guild

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    Broadly speaking: the main differences between an early/mid '70s S-100 and the vast majority of SGs ever are the neck/body angle (S-100s are very shallow while SGs are almost always steeper), the neck width at the nut (S-100s 1 10/16", SGs from 1 11/16" down to 1 9/16"), bridge construction (S-100s attached to unanchored posts sitting atop metal cups & with roller saddles, SGs attached to posts screwed into the body & with slotted TOM saddles) and pickups. S-100s tend to be spankier and even kinda plunky acoustically, not unlike Rickenbackers, while SGs are more compressed and sustain-y. Plugged in this translates to the S-100s having a sharper attack, again not unlike a Rickenbacker's percussive kerrang. SGs sustain louder into an amp, though not really longer.

    IMO S-100s play & feel more like a blend of Tele & Rickie (which I love!) while SGs are typically Gibson. S-100s are my fav Guild solidbodies…same goes for SGs in the Gibson line.

    -Dave-
    Last edited by Quantum Strummer; 07-03-2019 at 07:37 PM.
    1962 F-20 Troubadour
    1970 M-75 Bluesbird
    1971 S-100 "Black Cherry"
    1973 S-100 "Nature Boy"
    1990 Nightbird Custom
    1999 X-170T
    2013 NS M-75 Aristocrat
    2016 NS S-200 T-bird

    c. 1971 Foxey Lady

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    Senior Member Guildedagain's Avatar
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    I may just have to take the plunge and try it one day, especially since I consider my SG out of my collection, even though I have it. I shan't be playing it again ;)

    This is it here, a stop tailpiece batwing SG, virtually unheard of in actual 60's vintage.



    Actual 1969 SG that I parted with a long while back, nylon ABR-1 saddles...



    And Cortez the [back] Killer, what was I thinking...





    What's the typical weight of an older S100, they're all Mahogany, correct?
    Last edited by Guildedagain; 07-03-2019 at 10:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guildedagain View Post
    What's the typical weight of an older S100, they're all Mahogany, correct?
    Yep, S-100s are all 'hog. Here are the weights of my two:

    1971 Guild S-100: 6lbs, 9oz
    1973 Guild S-100: 7lbs, 4oz

    The '71 is a real ringer, even acoustically.

    And the weights of three SGs:

    1964 Gibson SG Special: 6lbs, 1.5oz
    1974 Gibson SG Special: 6lbs, 11oz (mini humbuckers)
    2019 Gibson SG Standard, Custom Shop ‘64 reissue: 7lbs, 4.5oz

    I have a couple other SGs I haven't weighed yet (and probably won't be keeping long term) but they're in the same weight range.

    I like the batwing pickguards on your two…the classic Pete Townshend look. :)

    -Dave-
    Last edited by Quantum Strummer; 07-04-2019 at 06:52 PM.
    1962 F-20 Troubadour
    1970 M-75 Bluesbird
    1971 S-100 "Black Cherry"
    1973 S-100 "Nature Boy"
    1990 Nightbird Custom
    1999 X-170T
    2013 NS M-75 Aristocrat
    2016 NS S-200 T-bird

    c. 1971 Foxey Lady

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    Senior Member adorshki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guildedagain View Post
    I may just have to take the plunge and try it one day
    Don't forget that's an S50 in the Big Brother & the Holding Company TV show from '66.
    Imagine how much they'd refined the formula by the early '70's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guildedagain View Post
    especially since I consider my SG out of my collection, even though I have it. I shan't be playing it again ;)
    This is it here, a stop tailpiece batwing SG, virtually unheard of in actual 60's vintage.
    Not knowing if you were aware of it, but "taken to the next level" by John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service who did his own custom pickguards and overlays on the side by at least '68:



    His rig btw still stands in R&R Hall of Fame:

    An SG was the first guitar of any type I actually identified and aspired to own as a kid, thanks to Cipollina and Santana and Pete Townshend in Woodstock.
    Actually thought the guitar solo in the Youngbloods' "Darkness Darkness" had to be one, too.
    Only after hanging out here for a couple of years did I discover it's actually a pre-"Bluesbird" version M75.
    Last edited by adorshki; 07-05-2019 at 07:29 PM.
    Al
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    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jleahy View Post
    ...Is there any "Guild historian" out there...
    sorry, we know of no Guild Historian.

    kidding of course. Hans Moust- replied already, he has. Guild Historian, he is.

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