Is a '69 F112 Hoboken or Westerly made?

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Is a '68 F112 Hoboken or Westerly made?

I had a case of the temporary vintage Guild induced insanity again... Had to have it when I realized it one of first hundred or so F112's to come off the line in '68.

Pics were dark, no info whatsoever except that they did write me back after I pulled the trigger to tell me that the action under the low E @ the 12th fret was 1/32".

It doesn't have my preferred mini jumbo shape but for a split second I thought this was a Hoboken guitar, which I don't have, and may still not ;)

Here it is, yikes. Another "investment"...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/293134035087?ViewItem=&item=293134035087
 
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I had a case of the temporary vintage Guild induced insanity again... Had to have it when I realized it one of first hundred or so F112's to come off the line in '69.

Pics were dark, no info whatsoever except that they did write me back after I pulled the trigger to tell me that the action under the low E @ the 12th fret was 1/32".

It doesn't have my preferred mini jumbo shape but for a split second I thought this was a Hoboken guitar, which I don't have, and may still not ;)

Here it is, yikes. Another "investment"...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/293134035087?ViewItem=&item=293134035087
Were you at the Nyquil again?
Y'gotta quit hangin' round wit dat GAD guy.
That's truly a question for Hans, because I think 12-ers were among the last types to be built in Hoboken.
Pretty darn sure I recall '69 F512's and F312's being confirmed as Hobokens, but the F112 is built on the F30 body shape and think that was one of the first models to move to Westerly due to its production capacity.
Hans?
 
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No Nyquil, just coffee and common sense telling I'd regret not buying this guitar ;)

This is serial OA 113, it looks like the earlier body shape, unless the pics are grossly distorted. My goof on the original post, it's a '68, not '69.

What body measurements would this have?

My '71 F212 is 11.5 x 9.25 x 15 7/8 x 4 13/16, if that is the norm?
 
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It's not got the through-saddle, which the earliest Guild 12-ers did, so I suspect it's a Westerly. But for certainty, Hans is the "go-to" man -- as usual!
 

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BTW, so long as the guitar doesn't need any serious repairs -- fingers crossed -- I think you got a good deal! Congrats!, and please report back once it's in your paws.
 

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It looks like a through saddle to me?

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Pics have been enhanced, originals are really dark, what happens when you shoot on a white background.
 
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I blew it up on my laptop and the both saddle ends are shy of the edge of the raised part of the bridge, which makes it appear to be a drop-in saddle.

BUT -- it's also possible the saddle slot is "through," and the original saddle was replaced with a shorter one.

Or maybe a portion of the bottom of the saddle was sanded down to lower the action. That would cause the tapered ends to taper into the saddle slot sooner.

You'll find out soon enough!
 

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These F112s are at bargain prices, old and newer.

Ralph
 

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What body measurements would this have?
My '71 F212 is 11.5 x 9.25 x 15 7/8 x 4 13/16, if that is the norm?
Your F212 (and the 312) were based on the F47 GA body outline.
F112's were based on the F30 (I seem to recall your rescue dog F30 actually had an F112 ID on the heelblock, right? Which might also explain some of it's tonal character. Heelblocks on 12's may have been more massive to deal with the wider dual-truss neck. For sure top bracing was specialized on 'em)
So body dimensions within fractions of your F30, possibly a bit shallower, but it would be interesting to see if those early F112's had the deeper body that became standard on later F30's.
PS '68 was first year and I think increases odds it's a Hoboken.
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I know some sale history on that one. It was on Craigslist in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area about 1-1.5 years ago and sold fast. I tried to buy it but was too slow. It popped up on Craigslist again last month briefly, and disappeared after 1-2 weeks before showing up on EBay at Pawn America.

Both Craigslist listings indicated it's had a neck reset already.
 

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What body measurements would this have?

My '71 F212 is 11.5 x 9.25 x 15 7/8 x 4 13/16, if that is the norm?

Body sizes can vary a little from one guitar to the next, but I would expect your guitar to be about 15-1/4" wide and about 4-1/2" deep at the lower bout.

It was made in Hoboken, NJ.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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BTW, so long as the guitar doesn't need any serious repairs -- fingers crossed -- I think you got a good deal!

Those cosmetic issues aren't going to be affecting a splendid sound out of that 12er!
 

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Oh buy it unless I missed the you did post .
All I can say is "Really old cool mojo !"
Sweeeeeeet 😁
 

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Is it me or does it not look like my F30 (does say F112), which has got the be the sexiest guitar shape on the planet, it's like Raquel Welch in a guitar case ;)

My F30 rescue dog that's leader of the pack all the sudden measures 11 x 9 1/8 x 15 1/8".


Cool, some history, thx for filling in some blanks. Pawn America really goes the extra mile with their ads, but the price was sweet. Maybe it needs a lot less work than the F212 I just got, which isn't acting too badly right now.

Rereading page, so it was Hoboken, neat.

Should have bought another guitar that I wanted, but couldn't pass this one up and had to let the other slip away...

Buying more than one in one day would mean a serious problem.
 
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Is it me or does it not look like my F30 (does say F112), which has got the be the sexiest guitar shape on the planet, it's like Raquel Welch in a guitar case ;)
I was thinkin' maybe more like Brigitte Bardot as I think the F212'd be the Raquel Welch of the pair, being the, er, taller one, I think.
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Buying more than one in one day would mean a serious problem.
What, you can stop anytime you want, right?

OH PS I always wondered if that "F112" on your F30 was due to having been started as an F112 body but finished as an F30 due to demand, or if it was just a stamping error because the bodies were in fact identical, or if it might even have been a conversion job because of all that work underneath the top.
At the time thought maybe Hans'd pm'd you some info after seeing the note, and then forgot about it.
 
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Guildedagain, what's the width at the nut?
 

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I was thinkin' maybe more like Brigitte Bardot as I think the F212'd be the Raquel Welch of the pair, being the, er, taller one, I think.
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What, you can stop anytime you want, right?

OH PS I always wondered if that "F112" on your F30 was due to having been started as an F112 body but finished as an F30 due to demand, or if it was just a stamping error because the bodies were in fact identical, or if it might even have been a conversion job because of all that work underneath the top.
At the time thought maybe Hans'd pm'd you some info after seeing the note, and then forgot about it.

Looks like Ringo caught with a shwing.

Ralph
 
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