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    The label in my Guild 12 reads: GF50-12 NT.
    The serial ends in 37.
    I'm not good at posting pictures but if anyone would care to PM me their email, I'll send what I have.
    The guitar is in excellent condition with very little wear and has an extremely tight grained top with tons of tiny little crossgrained curl to it.
    Also came with the original HSC.
    Thanks to all for the replies!

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    Wouldn't low action with low saddle mean it does NOT need a neck reset ? Low saddle and still HIGH action would mean that. I think what the OP has in one some one adjusted to be as easy to play as possible. Do the straight edge on the fretboard to bridge test.
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    Hey CE, I'm sorry, I actually mistook Ralf's photos for YOUR guitar, which explains my comment up above!! Now it makes sense. Your label is correct!! It's an NT (natural top) on a dark wooded guitar. Bld would mean maple and no stain, I believe. Anyway, send me a photo or two, I'll post them. I assume you're looking to sell it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW63 View Post
    Wouldn't low action with low saddle mean it does NOT need a neck reset ?
    Well yeah, the action is the deciding factor. However, the low saddle means the break angle is somewhat compromised, which robs some vibe going into the soundboard. A stopgap measure to delay a neck reset is to ramp the bridge pin holes, which recovers some of the break angle.
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    While I'm really enjoying the tones this 12 produces I'm finding that my arthritic hands can only play this thing for a few songs, then it's time to take a break.
    The action is pretty low (what with the low saddle and all) but I'm kinda wondering where this is going.

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    Tune down to D standard and either transpose or use a capo...the string tension will be lower...and you'll put off having to do a reset.

    Or look into lower tension strings...maybe there's a 12 string set of silk and bronze.

    And try not to grip the strings too hard...you only have to depress them enough to contact the frets...fingers don't have to feel the fretboard.

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    Wow...that's another example of, "If it sounds as good as it looks"....nice find...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuildFS4612CE View Post
    Tune down to D standard and either transpose or use a capo...the string tension will be lower...and you'll put off having to do a reset.

    Or look into lower tension strings...maybe there's a 12 string set of silk and bronze.
    Several in fact, and S&S too, GHS for sure lists both types, D'Addario silk& steel only, IIRC.
    Note in a '72 price list Guild themselves listed S&S 12 string sets in both light and medium gauges.
    As I like to say, read between those lines...
    http://www.westerlyguildguitars.com/...lists/72-7.pdf
    Still list a set of silk/steel on the '88 list, too, which is same era as the GF50-12.
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    Thanks to all above for the suggestions, much obliged.
    I'll try dropping down to D first and using the capo more.
    Meanwhile, I'll look for some lighter gauge strings.
    I really am impressed with the tone of this 12 stringer. I feel the rosewood gives it a deeper and less jangly sound overall.
    Just what I was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameleye View Post
    Thanks to all above for the suggestions, much obliged.
    I'll try dropping down to D first and using the capo more.
    Meanwhile, I'll look for some lighter gauge strings.
    I really am impressed with the tone of this 12 stringer. I feel the rosewood gives it a deeper and less jangly sound overall.
    Just what I was looking for.
    I myself was on a search to tone down the jangle on my F65ce, same body outline (albeit cutaway); 3"deep and arched back maple body.
    Finally hit on using GHS silk and steel lights tuned a full step down.
    You might be quite pleasantly surprised at how s&s or even s&b sound even at standard pitch.
    Intonation does get a little touchy when tuned down to D standard but it might be less of an issue with a 12...or maybe not.
    I can transpose pretty easily if necessary, because I can't abide using capos.
    For a more in depth explanation of my hypotheses and the results, see my thread here, with a cell-phone vid of the F65ce and feedback from folks who've heard previous clips on it.
    Posts numbers 5, 8 and 10 in particular may be of interest.
    Again, some of the ideas are hypothetical on my part but it seems to have worked and may give you ideas of your own.
    The general principle of the difference in total set tension differences between silk-wound and bronze wrapped strings and how it might affect the top applies equally to 12's and 6's, and the easier playability of he silk types is an added bonus for me at least:
    http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sho...-Farewell-Tour
    There was also a similar thread dedicated to 12-strings specifically and another member asked a similar question yesterday so I guess I'll go try to dig that one up too for both of ya, stay tuned.
    Oh, in fact, here it is now:
    http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sho...ng-guage/page2
    Mixed in with our usual digressions are some good solid suggestions for 12-ers specifically.
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