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Thread: NS Starfire V Mod Idea

  1. #21
    While we're on the topic of 4-wire pickups, an interesting option is to wire one coil from each of two pickups in series.

    What?!?!

    OK, consider that a humbucking pickup has two coils wired in series. If you have two HB pickups (each with 4-wires) then you can use one coil from each pickup. When connected in series you get what is essentially a HB pickup with the coils spread really far apart. If you choose the right coils the combination will still be humbucking.

    I did this on a Tele with TV Jones Filtertron style pickups and a 5-way Super Switch, but it should be possible to achieve with mini toggles and/or push-pull pots.

    Anyway, I like the middle position on two-pickup guitars, but it usually come with some amount of mud compared to either pickup alone. Using one coil from each pickup, wired in series, seems to retain the clarity of a single pickup.

    Unfortunately, the LB-1's on the NS SFV are not 4-wire, so the OP won't be able to do this. I have modified 2-wire humbuckers to be 3- or 4-wire, but it's not a procedure for the faint of heart.
    DTC

    1958 T-100, 1964 S-50, 1964 M-65, 1976 S-300 (bolt-on neck), 1977 D-25, 1977 S-300, 1979 S-300A, 1983 S-25, 1984 Detonator, 1987 Nightbird (spruce top), 1988 D-15, 2001 Blues90, 2002 Bluesbird P90, 2014 Aristocrat

  2. #22
    Yeah...my soldering ventures have only just begun. haha. I'm not quite ready to try changing the wires of a PU. Plus I don't want to risk anything too big on my one and only Guild. I know the reissues don't get tons of love here, but she's special for me. I go back and forth between my American Standard Strat and the Starfire V as my #1. Which says a lot, because I've had the strat for over 10 years. I love them both a lot, and are on the never sell list! So for now, it's only very reversible mods on the Guild. Like OOP, Treble Bleed Circuit on the Master volume, etc etc.

    I'm actually looking at getting a used Mexican Strat or Tele or something to try some of the more adventurous ideas in a "safe" environment. ie A guitar I'm not emotionally attached to or need to specific sounds. But we'll see.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by GSFV View Post
    Metric knurled split-shaft. Got it!!

    Thank you!! Any other cool options to drop in a with a push-pull? I know coil splits aren't doable because of the 2 wire vs 4 wire. But any other cool options or ideas?
    Has anyone mentioned series / parallel? I really like the in-phase in-series option on my L6S
    1957 X175 (ex)
    1960 Starfire III (ex)
    1962 X175
    1966 Starfire III (ex)
    1966 Duane Eddy DE-400
    2002 Starfire III-90

  4. #24
    I think GAD mentioned it. It sounds like it'd be worth a shot. I hadn't seriously considered it, until I thought about an out of phase in series sound. That might be fun. Usable? I have my doubts. But fun? OH yeah.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by GSFV View Post
    I'm actually looking at getting a used Mexican Strat or Tele or something to try some of the more adventurous ideas in a "safe" environment. ie A guitar I'm not emotionally attached to or need to specific sounds. But we'll see.
    Fender's Ensenada facility makes great stuff. Sometimes the guitars are hampered somewhat by lower quality hardware (to meet price points) but that's not Ensenada's fault. I recently replaced the once-again (after years of good behavior) wonky neck on my Relic Nocaster (7lbs, 6ozI'm into weighing stuff at the moment!) with a Mexican-made 7.25" radius rosewood-ish board jobbie with a nice medium-thick C profile. Switched to threaded brass saddles too. The guitar has never played or sounded better.

    -Dave-
    Last edited by Quantum Strummer; 05-17-2019 at 06:51 PM.
    1962 F-20 Troubadour
    1970 M-75 Bluesbird
    1971 S-100 "Black Cherry"
    1973 S-100 "Nature Boy"
    1990 Nightbird Custom
    1999 X-170T
    2013 NS M-75 Aristocrat
    2016 NS S-200 T-bird

    c. 1971 Foxey Lady

  6. #26
    I've recently become a big fan of them. A friend picked up a Mexico Tele on sale, and I was floored at the quality. It's really got me thinking...

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuuska View Post
    So how was it? - or is it too long ago? or were you too new to know? Or ? ? ?
    What I remember (after 30+ years) about the T-60's variable single-coil/HB feature is that I liked the sound best with the second coil just slightly on. This added a touch of weight to an otherwise thin-ish sound but without being obviously "humbuckery." Like dialing back the volume on one pickup in an out-of-phase setting to bring back some low end.

    -Dave-
    1962 F-20 Troubadour
    1970 M-75 Bluesbird
    1971 S-100 "Black Cherry"
    1973 S-100 "Nature Boy"
    1990 Nightbird Custom
    1999 X-170T
    2013 NS M-75 Aristocrat
    2016 NS S-200 T-bird

    c. 1971 Foxey Lady

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum Strummer View Post
    What I remember (after 30+ years) about the T-60's variable single-coil/HB feature is that I liked the sound best with the second coil just slightly on. This added a touch of weight to an otherwise thin-ish sound but without being obviously "humbuckery." Like dialing back the volume on one pickup in an out-of-phase setting to bring back some low end.

    -Dave-
    The last thing a T-60 needs is more weight!
    '70s: [ S70 | S300ADs ]
    '80s: [ X79-3 | X80s | X82 | X100 | X175 | S281 | BHM1 ]
    '80s: [ Detonator | Liberator + Elite | SF4 | AA ]
    '90s: [ S100 | X160 | X170 | X170T | SF3,5 | BB | NB | NB DX ]
    '90s: [ X2000 | X3000 | X4000s | DV72 | BHM1 | JF30-12 | Songbird ]
    '00s: [ SF3 | SF4 | B-90 | BB-90 | X160R | X500T | D55 ]
    '10s:
    [ Jetstar | R30 | D55 ]

    My Reviews: GADsGuilds.com

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by GSFV View Post
    I think GAD mentioned it. It sounds like it'd be worth a shot. I hadn't seriously considered it, until I thought about an out of phase in series sound. That might be fun. Usable? I have my doubts. But fun? OH yeah.
    I never really found a use for out of phase. Actually my old '66 SF-III was factory wired to be out of phase in the middle position. I changed it, of course. Series is actually an interesting sound - boosts the output!
    1957 X175 (ex)
    1960 Starfire III (ex)
    1962 X175
    1966 Starfire III (ex)
    1966 Duane Eddy DE-400
    2002 Starfire III-90

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by parker_knoll View Post
    I never really found a use for out of phase. Actually my old '66 SF-III was factory wired to be out of phase in the middle position. I changed it, of course. Series is actually an interesting sound - boosts the output!
    I spent most of my impressionable years with a Guild S300AD that had a phase switch but I never used it, mostly because I was a "bridge pickup into a high-gain amp with everything on 10 (except the mids)" kind of guy. Hey - it was the '80s.

    Now I love the OOP tone. I agree, though, that a serial/parallel switch is a very cool addition.
    '70s: [ S70 | S300ADs ]
    '80s: [ X79-3 | X80s | X82 | X100 | X175 | S281 | BHM1 ]
    '80s: [ Detonator | Liberator + Elite | SF4 | AA ]
    '90s: [ S100 | X160 | X170 | X170T | SF3,5 | BB | NB | NB DX ]
    '90s: [ X2000 | X3000 | X4000s | DV72 | BHM1 | JF30-12 | Songbird ]
    '00s: [ SF3 | SF4 | B-90 | BB-90 | X160R | X500T | D55 ]
    '10s:
    [ Jetstar | R30 | D55 ]

    My Reviews: GADsGuilds.com

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