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    NS Starfire V Mod Idea

    So there are two mods I have in mind, both of which are quite reversible if necessary. But does anyone have any experience with a Treble Bleed Circuit (supposedly keeps the highs in when you roll off the volume) with a Starfire? Does anyone have any experience with Out of Phase with a Starfire?

    My concern on the out of phase is being able to put in a push-pull in without routing, and still being able to use the Guild knob covers.


    I saw a few posts similar to this, but they were scattered, and not quite exactly what I'm looking for. If this is already covered and I've missed it, please post a link for my reading pleasure.

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    IIRC, you need a four wire pickup to have out of phase pickups. The small humbuckers never had four leads to my knowledge.
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    Nah - phase is just a reversal of the leads from one pickup. For example old HB1s don't have four wires. The bridge has an extra tab on it but it's still only a two-wire setup.

    I've seen a Westerly Starfire VI with a factory phase switch but I don't know how it would sound with the LB1s, though.

    I have no experience that I know of with treble bleed on a Starfire, but I have to wonder if my X170 has it because it has the most usable controls I've ever experienced on a Guild. One of these days I need to pull the harness and look because it's quite noticeable.
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    I was thinking coil tap. My bad.
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    "Alternatively, you could just go the ultra-relic route with it. Basically go for a look that says the amp was on fire and they put it out using belt sanders."
    (amps - I need a "99" & "50")

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    I was thinking coil tap. My bad.

    Coil SPLIT dammit!
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    Can you photograph it with your MACRO camera?

    Then we can go get some spasghetties and meballs...
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    "Alternatively, you could just go the ultra-relic route with it. Basically go for a look that says the amp was on fire and they put it out using belt sanders."
    (amps - I need a "99" & "50")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Default View Post
    Can you photograph it with your MACRO camera?

    Then we can go get some spasghetties and meballs...

    LOL.

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    I made both of these mods on my US made Bluesbird. I did have to replace the stock pot with a push-pull pot - no problems. The out of phase is a killer sound, especially if you play blues.
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    I've put temporary treble bleed cap/resistor combos (via alligator clips) in a handful of guitars. They work really well. One issue, if you like plugging directly into old fuzz/overdrive pedals with low-impedance inputs and then regulating breakup as well as volume from the guitar, is your clean sound can end up very wiry.

    Another option is a volume pedal with a treble bleed network built in.

    Out of phase sounds are kinda my thing these days. Besides my NB S-100 I've got a pair of old Gibsons with the bridge pickup magnets reversed, one by mistake but the other on purpose. A few others do OOP sounds too.

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    Putting it in a volume pedal is a brilliant idea!! Not sure why I hadn't considered it before... it would honestly probably work a little better that way anyway, and I wouldnít have to rework multiple guitars. Which is great!

    If I replace the pot with a push-pull for OOP, would I be able to use the same guild knobs? Iíve got a NS Starfire. Itís weird, but being able to use a guild knob is very important to me.

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