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    I own a NH F30R and I gotta say, its my number 1 instrument. And I own Vintage Strat, Rickenbacker 12 string, Vox Continental Organ and Fender Rhodes, and this guitar is still my favourite.

    I purchased my F30R because I really loved the tone of Paul Simon's acoustic guitar from the Simon & Garfunkel days in the '60s. This is this sweet, rich tone that is very beautiful. My fav strings on the F30R is La Bella Silk and Steel strings. It gives a very mellow, woody and dark sweetness. Very rich with warm harmonic overtones. I just love playing. In fact, I'm playing it right now.. works great for me as I don't use a pick, rather my finger nails and the tone it produces is very special to me. Will cherish this instrument for years to come, and hope you find yours too!

    P.s. Don't get cutaway. Guild acoustic guitars are about the acoustic sound IMO, and a cutaway/pickup takes away from the pure acoustic sound

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    Quote Originally Posted by theactor19 View Post
    P.s. Don't get cutaway. Guild acoustic guitars are about the acoustic sound IMO, and a cutaway/pickup takes away from the pure acoustic sound
    This has been discussed before on LTG, and the consensus was that if this has any validity at all, it is negligible at best. At least to my ears (admittedly not what they used to be!) my F-30RCE sounds great!

    Here's a thread where I asked a very similar question regarding pickups/battery packs in an acoustic guitar:

    http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sho...hlight=f-30rce

    The value of the cutaway is really about how you play, IMHO. I love mine, simply because I am sometimes playing chords and single notes down by the 12th fret and/or beyond. And if I am losing any "acoustic sound", I can't tell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    This has been discussed before on LTG, and the consensus was that if this has any validity at all, it is negligible at best.
    Yes it's based on the known fact that the vast majority of sound is produced in the area of the lower bout below the bridge.
    The upper bouts are practically dead.
    But it's possible theactor does have sensitive enough ears to hear it so I left it alone when I first saw it.
    Maybe a more empirical proof is in order:.
    Guild's absolute top of the line archtop (or guitar, for that matter)was the Benedetto Artist Award.
    Sure a cutaway's kind of mandatory for a jazz guitar but I humbly submit that it wouldn't sound any better without it:

    And while it's true a UST could block some vibration transmission to the bridge in "the bad old days", I humbly submit that current technology has also reduced that problem to virtually nil.
    Having said all that, I suspect was a reason Guild used the F40 body as the basis for its extensive series of cutaway electric designs starting with the F47ce in the '80's.
    I suspect they discovered it was the best suited size to give up the least acoustic tone for unplugged use.
    Be assured my ownership of one of the family in no way influences my impartial input.
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    Well, I'm going to dissent from that collective opinion. I've tried several cutaway models over the years (different brands) where I could compare, and I've always preferred the sound of the full-bodies.

    Playability??? Convenience??? Sure. Well, there are many reasons to go for a cutaway, but my opinion is that there's some (negative) impact on tone. Can't speak about archies, though... No experience.
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    Pretty hard to prove one way or the other but I'm with you Chazmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardp69 View Post
    Pretty hard to prove one way or the other but I'm with you Chazmo
    Initially supported by chladni pattern and laser interferometry analysis of where vibrations focus in a moving top, but when looking for images yesterday, couldn't find any for cutaways, and have to admit therefore that I can't present evidence that the cutaway doesn't actually affect what happens in the lower bout when part of the top bout's absent.
    I now must revise my position back to "jury is still out" as far as physical evidence, unless I finally find some pics of cutaways under the same analysis.
    I could offer my perception that it certainly doesn't seem to hold my F65ce back and it's even shallow depth besides.
    Al
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    As I believe it to be true with almost any line of a given guitar model, generalizations re tone have limited use as reference info, rather than hard fact. There are so many individual factors effecting tone, that separating them out and forming a conclusion based on a few examples is probably not going to tell the full story - even with something that seems as structurally major as a cutaway vs non-cutaway.

    Play as many as you can of the model (or models) under consideration, and buy the one that sounds best to your ears.
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    You must admit, there is something missing in a C, minor or not.

    Ralph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F312 View Post
    You must admit, there is something missing in a C, minor or not.

    Ralph.
    yeesh yer on a roll!!


    Ok, here's an example of what chladni patterns show is happening in a moving guitar top, all the action's in the lower bout:

    As I mentioned, though, I haven't seen anything for cutaway bodies and I realized that for all I know the absence of some portion of the upper bout may well affect what happens in the remaining area.
    Whether it's significant might be one of those "subjective" issues, depends entirely on how we define "significant".
    Then there's this:

    From here:
    http://polettipiano.com/Pages/airresengpaul.html
    Al
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    The cutaway design may in fact have negligible effect on the sound, but I think the aesthetic of the instrument during the 1960's when Paul Simon played one (the quintessential F-30 look, if you will) plays a part in why some people are drawn to the instrument without a cutaway. Sometimes we want to play the same guitar our biggest musical influences played and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
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