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    12 string, string guage

    I now my new guild 12 string came with 10's on it, but its very bright sounding. I was hoping to put a set of 12's on it? Would this be too much tension for the bridge? I play with other so I really don't want to tune down.

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    Probably too much, unless you tune down and capo back up?

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    I had 12s on my F-212 for decades, until age and infirmity caught up with me, did need a neck reset after almost 50 years, but probably would have anyhow at that age. Now I use 10s on both of my 12 strings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezstrummer View Post
    I now my new guild 12 string came with 10's on it, but its very bright sounding. I was hoping to put a set of 12's on it?
    What model 12-string?
    Maple archback JF30-12 or F412?


    Quote Originally Posted by ezstrummer View Post
    Would this be too much tension for the bridge?
    For anything post mid-'70's built, Absolutely.
    And the neck joint too.
    Take a look at D'Addario's site where they list the total tensions of various sets to get an idea of just how much additional stress is added by going up a gauge:
    (in your case, EJ38=250.68 lbs, here: http://www.daddario.com/DADProductFa...4-2d335a9902a1 )
    Note going up to 12's puts top tension at 319.98lbs (!) or an almost 30% increase in tension.
    (Note Brad Little's guitar was from the "built like a tank" era)
    And even if you go to 12's and tune down a whole step, you're still going to wind up with about 6lbs more tension than the the .10's at standard tuning, which might be acceptable but kind of defeats the purpose. If the top's just as tight as it was it's still gonna sound bright.
    Try some silk and steels instead, if you must stay at standard tuning.
    Quote Originally Posted by ezstrummer View Post
    I play with other so I really don't want to tune down.
    If you tune down a whole step it's not that hard to make the adjustment.
    Also I suspect you'll be quite pleasantly surprised at what it really does for the guitar's voice.
    I'm sympathetic to the "bright" thing because I just spent around a year with my F65ce tuned down a whole step before finally putting on some silk and steels 'cause it was still too bright.
    That did the trick.
    I looked up the set tension of the standard pb .010's it came with.
    On the GHS site https://www.ghsstrings.com/products?categories=acoustic I could then calculate that tuning down a whole step reduced tension by approx. 20%, then looked for a set of Silk'n'steel that would still come in lower than the tension it was designed for after tuning down a whole step.
    The aim was to start with lower frequencies driving the top in addition to lower total set tension.
    I went with GHS because they had an option that allowed me to use .11's in Silk'n'steel
    This coming from a man who was a strict purist regarding factory string specs and standard tuning for over 20 years.
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    Newtone Strings in the UK make 'Heritage' low tension 12-string sets.

    All the benefits of heavier gauge strings but without the extra tension.

    - .010 - .043

    - .011 - .047

    - .012 - .051

    - .013 - .055

    You order them straight from the factory. https://newtonestrings.com/shop/heri...tic-12-string/

    Martin Flexible Core are also available in .010 - .054 gauge 12-string sets that might be interesting too. I have a set but haven't tried them yet - I really like D'Addario Nickel Bronze on my F-412.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    If you tune down a whole step it's not that hard to make the adjustment.
    Huh? If you are saying tune down and use a capo then never mind. Otherwise I am wondering what kind of adjustment you are thinking of that are easy and deal with the mental gymnastics of transposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezstrummer View Post
    I now my new guild 12 string came with 10's on it, but its very bright sounding. ...
    Man, I wouldn't put 12s on a 12-string. Are the strings new along with the new guitar? I'd play it a while. It may just de-brighten on its own.
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    I'm putting Earthwood Silk and Steels on my vint Washburn 12 as soon as I get a chance, excited to hear and feel the difference.

    I might be putting GHS .11 S&S on both my D35 and D5CE, the cutaway acoustic electric for sure.

    They did wonders for my F30, it plays like an electric on the treble strings, but can still handle hard strumming, and sweet sounding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brucebubs View Post
    Newtone Strings in the UK make 'Heritage' low tension 12-string sets.

    All the benefits of heavier gauge strings but without the extra tension.

    - .010 - .043

    - .011 - .047

    - .012 - .051

    - .013 - .055

    You order them straight from the factory. https://newtonestrings.com/shop/heri...tic-12-string/

    Martin Flexible Core are also available in .010 - .054 gauge 12-string sets that might be interesting too. I have a set but haven't tried them yet - I really like D'Addario Nickel Bronze on my F-412.
    John Pearse makes 13s that you tune down to C# to get the Kottke sound. I have 12s on by GAD-G212 tuned to D.

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    If you don't know what strings are on the guitar, change them out to something like these.
    https://www.guitarcenter.com/Martin/...tar-Strings.gc

    Your strings may be 80/20 Bronze.
    If you go to Phosphor Bronze you will get a richer and fuller sound.
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