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    Considering a change

    Hey all-

    I've been playing on a Guild 47m (ATB) from Hartford for the past eight or so years and have started to think about switching it out for a vintage dreadnaught (D40 or D25). Any suggestions about other models I should be looking for - or solid places to shop online?

    I'm looking at a D35 right now - but not sold on it yet.

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    Scored a '73 D35 on a budget last summer. It's featherlight (4lb 5oz) and sounds pretty excellent when required (Folky jams), I like it more everytime I play it.

    I actually started a D35 registry on the forum on account of that guitar, and tales of others.

    The 1st ones were made in '68, and are reputed to be something of a big deal.

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    If you can find a DV-52, they are great. I can also recommend an arch-back spruce topped D-25.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M.Allhands View Post
    Hey all-

    I've been playing on a Guild 47m (ATB) from Hartford for the past eight or so years and have started to think about switching it out for a vintage dreadnaught (D40 or D25). Any suggestions about other models I should be looking for - or solid places to shop online?

    I'm looking at a D35 right now - but not sold on it yet.
    I see a first post, welcome aboard Allhands!
    Reason for swapping out F47m? Just looking for a different flavor?
    Not knowing how familiar you are with Guild history, be aware there are 3 different flavors of D25:
    Original version was all-mahogany flatback, transitioned to an all-mahogany archback ca. late '72 thru '74 or even '75, finally completely replaced by arch-back spruce top formula that lasted all the way through close of Westerly in '01, which is the most common by far and probably the one that most folks think of as the definitive D25 for sound.
    I'm assuming you're looking for something older than '01-'04 but that was Corona era where they revived the original all-hog flatback formula.
    The D35 Guildedagain mentioned was basically a "blinged-down" D40.
    There was also a G37 arched maple back dread, revised as the D30 in late '80's, and even an ash-backed D46.
    Here's a site to give an idea of the range of offerings from Westerly:
    http://www.westerlyguildguitars.com/guitars.html
    I'll let others vouch for reliable vendors but can suggest that if you see a specific piece you're interested in, don't be afraid to show us a link and ask for advice about it here, there's a ton of knowledge here and several folks who can advise if a particular seller's a good internet citizen.
    There's also a pretty decent gentleman's trust to avoid sniping on a piece a member has expressed serious interest in, we even try to honor calling of "dibs" on a piece while the member's trying to get input about it.
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    Last edited by adorshki; 04-04-2019 at 06:48 PM.
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    A whole lot to choose from. The D 40 and D 50 continue to be my most favorite model Guilds followed closely by F 50 or F 50R and D 55. All provide different sounds and all make me very happy. And of course the entire DV series is pretty exceptional. You won't have a hard time spending your money, I know I sure don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    I see a first post, welcome aboard Allhands!
    Reason for swapping out F47m? Just looking for a different flavor?
    Not knowing how familiar you are with Guild history, be aware there are 3 different flavors of D25:
    Original version was all-mahogany flatback, transitioned to an all-mahogany archback ca. late '72 thru '74 or even '75, finally completely replaced by arch-back spruce top formula that lasted all the way through close of Westerly in '01, which is the most common by far and probably the one that most folks think of as the definitive D25 for sound.
    I'm assuming you're looking for something older than '01-'04 but that was Corona era where they revived the original all-hog flatback formula.
    The D35 Guildedagain mentioned was basically a "blinged-down" D40.
    There was also a G37 arched maple back dread, revised as the D30 in late '80's, and even an ash-backed D46.
    Here's a site to give an idea of the range of offerings from Westerly:
    http://www.westerlyguildguitars.com/guitars.html
    I'll let others vouch for reliable vendors but can suggest that if you see a specific piece you're interested in, don't be afraid to show us a link and ask for advice about it here, there's a ton of knowledge here and several folks who can advise if a particular seller's a good internet citizen.
    There's also a pretty decent gentleman's trust to avoid sniping on a piece a member has expressed serious interest in, we even try to honor calling of "dibs" on a piece while the member's trying to get input about it.
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    Yeah - I've loved my F47m but want to switch to something with mahogany back and sides that lends itself to a little more open tone and clarity. I came across some stuff at Reverb that I've linked below.

    [ moderator edit: M.Allhands, welcome aboard... Please note that conversations about other folks' ads is usually kept in the ebay/cl section: http://letstalkguild.com/ltg/forumdi...base-offerings ]

    https://reverb.com/item/5637099-vint...-resonant-tone

    https://reverb.com/item/20670119-gui...atural-vintage

    https://reverb.com/item/21074311-gui...ar-westerly-ri

    https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Gu...stic-Guitar.gc (I've actually been able to play this one)
    Last edited by chazmo; 04-05-2019 at 02:32 PM.

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    Hello M.allhands. I am a 1 guitar guy, never really had gas, have the dough to buy whatever I want, in fact my wife has said many times ďwhy donít you buy another guitar?Ē I simply donít need one. I bought a westerly 93 d50 many years ago simply because it was the best sounding (subjective) acoustic I played. Itís so versatile in its tone depending upon picks, strings, and where Iím picking or fingering on the strings. It can sound huge like a jumbo or tight and woody like a small bodied...or it can simply be well rounded and balanced like the dread it was meant to be. In my opinion itís the most versatile guitar that guild makes. But then again Iím often wrong in my opinion. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.Allhands View Post
    ....have started to think about switching it out for a vintage dreadnaught (D40 or D25). Any suggestions about other models I should be looking for - or solid places to shop online?
    Dreads are one thing, but then there are Guild jumbos. F50, F50R... They give the $4,000 Gibson SJ200 a strong run for its money -- at about a quarter of the cost.

    reverb.com is the place to check....

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.Allhands View Post
    Yeah - I've loved my F47m but want to switch to something with mahogany back and sides that lends itself to a little more open tone and clarity. I came across some stuff at Reverb that I've linked below.
    If you plan on recording I'm gonna suggest a flatback as my D40 records the cleanest of my 3 and the other 2 are archbacks.
    Having said that, sumpin' funny's goin' on with this one:
    https://reverb.com/item/20670119-gui...atural-vintage
    Don't recall New Hartford ever shipping pieces without pickguards, and be aware that starting in Tacoma ca '07, "Bluegrass" (the "BG" the seller mentions) specifically meant they had adi tops, not sitka.
    Some folks like it, some don't. It's said to be tight and take a lot of time to open up, but can be played more loudly before breaking up or choking.
    In New Hartford the sitka-topped version was in the "Standard" series.
    Sometimes pieces are incorrectly listed as "Bluegrass Jubilee D40" either through seller ignorance or outright misrepresentation since that version carries a price premium.
    Tips on how to tell the differences here:
    http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sho...rent-headstock
    Having reviewed that thread, this piece does appear to have tortoise binding and the black faceplate that would be correct on an '09 D40 BJ.
    If it's got full gloss finish on neck that'll nail it down but that missing pickguard's still a red flag to me.
    Besides which it's in Canada and suspect they won't want to ship to US, as rosewood fretboard would require special paperwork now.
    A lot of sellers consider it too much hassle (and they're probably right)
    Last edited by adorshki; 04-05-2019 at 07:45 PM.
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    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    Welcome aboard, Allhands.

    I'm not sure how that "switching out" thing will go - most of us have gear lists in our signatures that continue to grow.

    In addition to D-35's and D-40's, consider DV-6's and D-6's from Westerly - they slotted into the Guild line pretty much the same place as D-40's. A Tacoma DV-4 might be an interesting instrument to try if you can get your hands on one.
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