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    Senior Member Rich Cohen's Avatar
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    Guild George Barnes Model

    Here's a video of the George Barnes model. Also two links to Barnes' recordings, one of them a video of him playing in Berlin on his signature model. He was fantastic.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We5R...ature=youtu.be

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otvMYsUljvc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BG5...ature=youtu.be

    Chet Atkins learning from George Barnes:
    http://onemanz.com/guitar/wp-content...60786801_n.jpg




    Enjoy!

    Also, I just received my A-500 yesterday, and will be posting pics today.
    Last edited by Rich Cohen; 03-30-2019 at 03:32 PM.
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    Cool links!

    Is he holding the pick between his thumb and and third finger? It's "different" how his forefinger sticks out while he's picking.

    I was searching to find out what he's doing with his right hand (to no avail), but found this informative Barnes link:

    http://onemanz.com/guitar/articles-2...george-barnes/

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Cool links!

    Is he holding the pick between his thumb and and third finger? It's "different" how his forefinger sticks out while he's picking.

    I was searching to find out what he's doing with his right hand (to no avail), but found this informative Barnes link:

    http://onemanz.com/guitar/articles-2...george-barnes/

    walrus
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    My thought is that he uses his index finger to pick individual notes when needed. Or, there is some structural problem with his index finger which doesn't allow him to use it with his thumb to hold the pick.
    Guiilds:
    Hoboken archtops:1963 A-500 B (recently installed DeArmond 1100), 1966 Artist Award SB

    Epiphones:
    1934 Royal (walnut back/sides) 1947 Broadway/DeArmond 1000, 1954 Zephyr Regent/ "New York" pup

    Amp:
    Rivera Jazz Suprema 55 Ruby, the ultimate jazz amp!

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    For anyone interested, I found this discussion of George Barnes on the jazz guitar forum. Interesting guy- great player I had never listened too before. I knew his name from Hansí book and the Guild model though! :)

    https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/play...ge-barnes.html

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    It does look like he holds his pick between his thumb and middle finger- interesting.

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    That's the way George held a pic, but I can't remember the particulars too well, like whether he alternate-picked or down-picked.

    I saw him playing Bach 'finger-style' one time before a gig, just to warm up his hands. I don't think that happened very often, by the way. And it was 'just George', too at least as far as the warm-up went.

    I'm friends with an old student of George's, I'll ask him if he remembers the back story!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post

    And I like Harry's approach.
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    I talked with one of George's old students, the guy that taught me how to play guitar & bass. Here's what he said about George's picking style:

    "George almost always down-picked but he could definitely alternate-pick and I saw him do it from time to time. He used it more as an "effect" than anything else."

    On playing Bach:

    "Yes, George did play some picked, not finger style, Bach lines but he could also finger pick. As a multi faceted studio musician he had a lot of tricks up his sleeve. He played on a lot of records and stuff you wouldn't even think of - like Bob Dylan Blonde on Blonde. Really."

    So that's it, folks. Now you know, too.

    gilded aka Harry
    Last edited by gilded; 03-31-2019 at 05:51 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post

    And I like Harry's approach.
    '66 Starfire I SB bass, '67 Mark IV pear wood, '75 Mark 4 P padauk, '00 Bluesbird black,
    '66 Thunderbird amp, '68 Thunder 1 RVT amp, '69-70 Thunderstar Combo, '70 Superstar Combo

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    You certainly don't see a Guild George Barnes model like in the first video very often! Thanks for posting!

    Ralf

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    Might just be a different grip. I played for a while in my 20s with a stainless steel pick and used to hold it b/w thumb and a curled middle finger and then kind of rest my index finger up on the top shoulder of the pick. This kind of shifted the pick to into parallel with my index finger and I thought it was a little faster/more precise w/ a pick that absolutely did not bend at all. Anyway, if you had big old fat fingers, it might end up looking like the index finger was just kind of hanging out there, like his does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Is he holding the pick between his thumb and and third finger? It's "different" how his forefinger sticks out while he's picking.
    I do have a lot of customers that hold the pick between thumb and middle finger; they keep their index finger free to produce artificial harmonics.
    I'm not saying that's what George Barnes did, but it's a technique that a lot of accomplished players use and I would not be surprised to hear that George Barnes could do it as well.

    Sincerely,

    Hans Moust
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