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    Yes Al, your specs mirror my ideal. I do have the '73 F-30R and '74 F-40, which I dearly love for their size, shape, and neck carve in particular - however, they lack the icing on the cake - a short-scale!

    So currently I must turn to my Gibsons for 24.75" perfection, but I'd love to see it in a Guild. Of course, I can pick up the '97 Starfire or the '14 A-150b to get there in a Guild, but those are horses of a different color.
    > Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40nt / '76 G-37bld / '92 D-6nt-hg / '94 JF-30nt / '97 Starfire III / '14 Savoy A-150b
    > Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES-125T / '66 Epi Cortez (B-25) / '90 Tennessean / '00 J-100xt / '02 J-45 RW / '02 SG / '07 CJ-165 / '09 ES-339 / '10 ES-330L / '11 ES-335 P90s / '12 ES-330 VOS / '12 LP Special / '12 J-185 / '13 LG-2 / '13 M.Kalamazoo / '14 J-15 / '15 J-50
    > Epis: '00 AIUSA Sheraton / '05 McCartney Texan / '09 Elitist Casino
    > Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 CS RW D

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    Quote Originally Posted by txbumper57 View Post
    if we are talking about bringing back a F-312 Model then I might have to take a chance on an Oxnard made Guild.

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    Anything derived from the "one true F40".

    You reminded me that the 16" F-body also yielded another landmark for Guild: their first 12-strings.
    And we all know how that wound up.
    Last edited by adorshki; 03-21-2019 at 09:54 PM.
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    Yeah they should do it for you for sure ! :) and also include the Grand auditorium F40 for me LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    That's a really good point but I'm absolutely positive I've seen reference to the fact that they do "look in" here, perhaps "monitoring" wasn't the right word because it implies an active continuous process, and I agree don't think they watch that intensively.
    More than anything else the remark was just supposed to be a set-up for the "Vote early and Vote often" humor chestnut.
    As for actively participating, no, at least not "officially" (who knows if they may have members here who simply don't disclose an affiliation with CMG for entirely ethical reasons,) and at least partly for exactly the reasons you mention.

    Nope, didn't want a dry old poll, wanted actual owner/prospective owner feedback like seen so far.
    And btw, @ Tommy: I only want to be able to special order the oddball scale length/nut combo, I get why 25-5/8" is preferred in the niche.



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    BAD Ralph, Bad Bad Ralph!!
    With my luck they'll call it an F30.
    Now that I think about it I'd live with it and let the F30 lovers start to gripe, as long as it was a GA body!
    I'm only trying to contribute. BTW is that your guitar in #1? Good heavens.

    Ralph
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    Al how much would you pay for said guitar brand new ? I know you love Guild but would have to be a Guild ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazmo View Post
    I'm not sure why you think Oxnard is monitoring posts here, Al.
    Within a a year, maybe two, after the sale, an LTG poster met some CMG people at a trade show, told them about LTG (which was news to them) and put them in contact with me. I had several email conversations about the relationship between LTG and CMG. Maintaining LTG's independence was key but we did kick around ideas like a thread where only CMG could post or a place where questions for CMG would be posted and answered. Ultimately we agreed that CMG's goals could best be met on other social media platforms (yes I am stretching things to use that term about LTG but in context LTG was competing with Facebook, Twitter and Instagram) so there was no reason to change LTG's status quo. Since there was no action and I considered the discussions confidential at the time, I probably did not make a big deal about it in the Mod Lounge. CMG did say that they would monitor LTG occasionally although no one from CMG would post. The "no post" decision was based upon corporate policies and liability - they wanted to control their online presence and posts they made on LTG were one more thing to monitor for internal compliance. They also did not want someone to say something on LTG that implicitly committed CMG to any course of action. I made vague allusions to CMG paying attention to LMG in public my posts in a "trust me because I can't tell you" kind of sense.

    It has been years since I have had contact with CMG but there are a couple anecdotes about someone who had a customer service issue, waited a couple weeks, complained here and had it resolved within 24 hours. That may have been coincidence but it supports the hypothesis that They Are Watching. There are also stories about someone having a question/problem, contacting CMG and including material from LTG in their email.

    My take on why nothing happened from the CMG side is that they make money selling new instruments and those buyers were who they wanted to reach with their online activities. LTG was perceived (or perhaps they just accepted my opinion) as a site populated by owners, not buyers of new instruments. The acknowledged LTG's ability to shape opinion on the brand and on the new offerings but with less than 10,000 registered users (and maybe 1,000 active ones) LTG was not the best bang for their social media buck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgod View Post
    What he said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stuball48 View Post
    Frono: You are correct----again.

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    I am reminded of a time in the NH years when Guild actually said they would make an LTG model. We just had to agree on a set of specs (that could be produced) and pre-order, with deposit, at least 10 (or maybe it was 15). Has anyone see the LTG Guild? Me neither. We could not agree on the specs and every time we got close the expected price, circa $2000 caused people to back off.
    Quote Originally Posted by mgod View Post
    What he said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stuball48 View Post
    Frono: You are correct----again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F312 View Post
    I'm only trying to contribute. BTW is that your guitar in #1? Good heavens.Ralph
    No, it's a random F45ce from the net as noted above the pic, but it happens to have the same outline and back wood as F65ce's and my back is just as purty as that one, although that one is either Amber finish or else just really oranged out in the pic.
    I've always said mine looks like the one on Westyerlyguildguitars.com:

    except my striping's better aligned horizontally, and that F45ce's back is that way.
    And yeah it really is that stripey.
    You can see/hear mine in action here (well, the front, anyway, and for another couple of weeks before new vids go up):
    http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sho...ect-the-Jangle

    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    Al how much would you pay for said guitar brand new ?
    I paid $1700 out the door ($2295 list in '01) for the F65ce as a discontinued NOS with warranty, which might still be available to me; haven't pursued it because I'd have to ship to take advantage, and that's not gonna happen unless I've got a backup to use. IF I decide to take the risk.
    So, $2800.00 post retirement dollars plus tax and don't require an "e" or exotic bling, just want a REAL F40 body.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    I know you love Guild but would have to be a Guild ?
    I loved RX-7's too and the only reason I don't still have one is that they became unavailable in a condition I'd spend money on, and because I know how hard certain parts are to find.
    So, since this is a pipedream, I see no reason to compromise on another maker, besides which, as mentioned I tried a Taylor GA in Guitar Showcase a couple of weeks ago, it left me flat.
    Right on display wall it needed a set-up, nut looked synthetic (black) and something about the bridge struck me that way too.
    I would have tried a couple of others just to give 'em a fair chance but 2 guys were blasting out the acoustic room with new Acoustasonic Teles.
    But that's another story.
    Last edited by adorshki; 03-22-2019 at 09:14 PM.
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    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    No, it's a random F54ce from the net as noted above the pic, but it happens to have the same outline and back wood as F65ce's and my back is just as purty as that one, although that one is either Amber finish or else just really oranged out in the pic.
    I've always said mine looks like the one on Westyerlyguildguitars.com:

    except the grain's better aligned horizontally, and that F45ce's back is that way.
    And yeah it really is that stripey.
    You can see/hear mine in action here (well, the front, anyway, and for another couple of weeks before new vids go up):
    http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sho...ect-the-Jangle


    I paid $1700 out the door ($2295 list in '01) for the F65ce as a discontinued NOS with warranty, which might still be available to me; haven't pursued it because I'd have to ship to take advantage, and that's not gonna happen unless I've got a backup to use. IF I decide to take the risk.
    So, $2800.00 post retirement dollars plus tax and don't require an "e" or exotic bling, just want a REAL F40 body.

    I loved RX-7's too and the only reason I don't still have one is that they became unavailable in a condition I'd spend money on, and because I know how hard certain parts are to find.
    So, since this is a pipedream, I see no reason to compromise on another maker, besides which, as mentioned I tried a Taylor GA in Guitar Showcase a couple of weeks ago, it left me flat.
    Right on display wall it needed a set-up, nut looked synthetic (black) and something about the bridge struck me that way too.
    I would have tried a couple of others just to give 'em a fair chance but 2 guys were blasting out the acoustic room with new Acoustasonic Teles.
    But that's another story.
    I was thinking custom build .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post
    I am reminded of a time in the NH years when Guild actually said they would make an LTG model. We just had to agree on a set of specs (that could be produced) and pre-order, with deposit, at least 10 (or maybe it was 15).
    It was 20, just like the GSR's, because they had to make at least that many of any given piece to justify cost of production.
    To get what I want all they have to do is offer a standard model based on a real GA body.
    Since F40 model number is currently being used for something else, F47 would be a nice logical number for 'em to use, and has heritage with Guild just like D55 or M20.
    I can wait for 'em to start offering special order capability for details (like shortscale) that are available in production even if not on the model I want to special order it on.
    Just like you could do in Westerly back in the day, or at the Nashville Custom Shop, or even as New Hartford was close to offering, IIRC.
    With New Hartford it had to do with having in-house repair capability which they achieved shortly before the sale IIRC, and demonstrated by the fact that they were offering some "special builds" like the DD models, "Based on the F47", btw.
    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post
    Has anyone see the LTG Guild? Me neither. We could not agree on the specs and every time we got close the expected price, circa $2000 caused people to back off.
    Right, another reason I just want to be able to special order some non-standard specs on a standard model, unless they actually see the wisdom of a GA body with a shortscale, like Gibson offers....
    They may benefit from realizing that in the past it was Guild's single most flexible platform.
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    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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