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    Starfire 3-12 string?

    Saw this pic of Carol Kaye in FB with what looks like a Starfire III 12 string. Custom order? Something else? Hans?

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    Perhaps of interest?

    https://www.vintageguitar.com/2809/carol-kaye/

    Quote Originally Posted by Carole Kay
    I got a Gibson 12-string acoustic and turned a Guild electric into a 12-string electric before they ever made electric 12-strings for studio work.
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    What he said.
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    Hello Chris,

    That guitar was made during a period that Guild did not have an electric 12-string as part of the line. It was made from a T-100 by Milt Owen at the request of Carol Kaye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcornHouse View Post
    Saw this pic of Carol Kaye in FB with what looks like a Starfire III 12 string. Custom order? Something else? Hans?

    From this Vintage Guitar interview (emphasis added):

    What was your basic rig during your session days as a guitarist?
    I started with the Epiphone Emperor and Gibson amp, and quickly bought a Fender Jazzmaster. It had that doo-hicky on it and sounded good, but I changed the pickups for more potent ones. I got a Gibson 12-string acoustic and turned a Guild electric into a 12-string electric before they ever made electric 12-strings for studio work.

    Here's a different version of the same photo (image copyright Getty Images):

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    So what did she play it on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Guilds of Grot View Post
    So what did she play it on?
    Not sure - cannot find location/date info for that photo.

    In the Vintage Guitar interview, she does talk about some of the sessions she played 12-string on:

    "Probably the ones people really know were rhythm guitar on the Righteous Brothers’ “You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feelin'” and “Unchained Melody,” the 12-string guitar bridge on Herb Alpert’s “Mexican Shuffle,” rhythm guitar on Wayne Newton’s “Danke Schoen.” I did electric 12-string fills on a lot of Sonny and Cher’s hits, and I played acoustic guitar doubling with the bass line on “The Beat Goes On.” That was my bass line; Sonny had the bass player, Bob West, use it. I played electric rhythm guitar on Bob B. Soxx & the Blue Jeans’ “Zippety Doo Dah,” and lead guitar on “No Matter What Shape Your Stomach’s In” by the T-Bones, but I think that was only for the ad, as Tommy Tedesco played the lead on the original recording. I did electric 12-string work on Frank Zappa’s first two albums, rhythm guitar on the Beach Boys’ “Surfin’ U.S.A.” – that’s Billy Strange on solo guitar – and some lead jazz guitar on the Quincy Jones movie, The Pawnbroker."

    In other, sadder Wrecking Crew news, drummer Hal Blaine has passed away.
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    I think it's great that she remembers who played what - I find it very interesting!

    And yes, RIP Hal Blaine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post

    That was a good read Fro. I didn't know that she was a jazz and session guitarist before she took up the bass. It is interesting that back then, in the 60's, they referred to the "sting bass" (acoustic) and the "Fender bass" (electric) when doing session work and often on the album liner notes as well!

    This article about Ray Bonneville popped up while I was reading the "Vintage Guitar" article. In the photo, he appears to be playing a mid-50's Aristocrat M-75 with black pickup covers. I have a few of his albums. I like the deep groove of his roots-style music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingshoes72 View Post
    This article about Ray Bonneville popped up while I was reading the "Vintage Guitar" article. In the photo, he appears to be playing a mid-50's Aristocrat M-75 with black pickup covers.
    He calls her a 1959 one in a YouTube video. But also based on the pickguard I would say it is clearly a 1956 or latest an early 1957 one as in 1957 they started with the Chesterfield inlay or the diagonal script logo inlay. Bridge and pickups or just pickup covers are obviously replaced.


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