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    Quote Originally Posted by Guildedagain View Post
    An original case is a big plus, and it says someone cared about it enough not to lose the case. Pretty rare - but not impossible - to find a really mint guitar without a case.
    You are, as always, entitled to your own opinion, but I do bristle a little bit when you equate the presence/absence of an original case to "caring". In Ye Olden Days when many of today's vintage instruments were new, a case was often an extra cost accessory. So there was often no case purchased to lose. Some of my contemporaries chose to spend their budget on a good instrument and then they improvised padded bags. They babied the instruments and took good care of them. There were also situations where a gig bag was offered as choice for an "original" case so there was no HSC to lose.

    I agree that when assessing the condition of a vintage instrument in today's market the presence of an OHSC is reassuring. But almost anything about condition that might be presumed from years in an OHSC can also be determined by inspection if it matters enough to do so.
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    Comment wasn't made to make anyone bristle. I've been following vintage guitars since they were "used"... and affordable. A lot of the cheap ones I picked had no case or the wrong case, most of the better ones always had a case, and preferable "the" original case. I can't imagine someone buying a Les Paul or a D28 and opting out of the case. The first Tele cases cost $40 when the guitar was $150, cases have always been expensive investments to keep your baby safe.

    In this day and age, it is actually rare when a guitar still has it's original case, because of wear.

    I've often bought a vintage guitar in the wrong case, which may actually be better for shipping anyway, and then find the right case on eBay later.

    I have bought near mint vintage guitars that had no case before, not even sure how this works. Guitars are magnets for bumps and bruises, navigating point A to point B without hitting something is usually an exercise in hyper vigilance...

    The local chain of pawnshops here separated the guitars from the cases for years, to "use the case to sweeten the deal" at the time of a would be sale, except with turnover, no one knew this and they'd routinely sell the guitars without their cases, sometimes ending up with a whole backroom full of cases for guitars that are sold.

    I found this out years ago when I bought a Strat, the sales clerk couldn't find the case, so he let me go through a room full of cases until I found it, and in the meantime unearthed all of these rare cases that went fo Flying V's and other weird guitars where only that case fits. By the time I found the Strat case, there was a giant pile of cases that didn't go to anything and he sold me the whole lot for a song. I had an old SAAB 900 3dr (about as much room as a 1/2 ton truck inside) and I filled it to the gills with cases, $50 I think it was. Took me about three years to sell them all, and each time, I reunited a rare guitar with the correct case.

    Some people, like me, get just as obsessed about finding the right case as any other part of GASsing. The most expensive cases, for the most expensive guitars, like a Sunburst Flametop, can hit upwards of $3000 for a mint 5 latch "Cali girl" case.

    The guitar and case are a pair, a package. And then there's the case candy. I sold the correct strap for a '59 burst for $500. I got it for free in the case of a Lyle that was worth about $75.

    Some guys sell the original case to buy a new clean smelling SKB case.

    Some guys sell the SKB and find the original case.

    I'm that guy.
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    I also like the guitars in an original case, as I also see it as a bundle that belongs/-ed together. For some the value goes up big time with the original case. I am like Guildedagain in that case. But in the case of Guild for decades a case was not included! A case was an option you could choose from in the Guild catalog/pricelist and there were several options. So some people bought the deluxe case, others just a no-name gig bag. That explains that so many have no OHSC. I'd say the more valuable instruments come in the better cases, a lower value guitar probably in a gig bag or anykind of case. And travelling musicians have totally other reuqirements compared to a couch player and collector.
    My Custom Shop 50ies Telecaster for instance came in the standard rectangle Fender case. First thing I did was to search for a Thermometer case. It looks so much better when it is in that small vintage style Thermometer case at home. But I would not travel with that case...
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    If I could afford it, I'd have all my guitars in Calton cases. Original case is a cool thing to have, but they can be smelly and/or worn out, or not great to be begin with.

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    Though I much prefer an original hard shell case, a non original case wouldn't stop me from buying a guitar if it was on my bucket list. I have had custom guitar cases made in the past, and they were all expensive. With some body shapes / sizes there are no generic replacement cases available.

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    Would I like to have the original (assuming it's a good one that sufficiently protects the guitar), sure. But it's way way down on the list of things I consider in buying a guitar. I've swapped out several original cases because they didn't hold up well or were just plain crap. The guitar and how you communicate with it is what's important here. While people might be inclined to throw tips in your case (if you're so inclined to leave it open during a gig) they most certainly will not if you don't play the guitar well.
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    I have offered money to guys playing to turn it down. When you're in a local bar and pub and you've been catching up with old friends or creating new ones and some guy starts blasting music, I let them know that I came here to socialize with friends and not to listen to them at a high volume. If they turn it down to an acceptable level I give 'em money. If not then my whole entourage has to pick up all our $hit, close out the tab, and find a new venue. Sometimes the players understand this, some of them don't. Ricardo at Bandito down the street always gets money from us because he's professional, background, and he'll even wander the restaurant and come over and have a conversation (briefly with us) while he's playing because he's wireless and his volume is always perfect.

    Off topic and not about cases but I just thought I'd throw that out there. Besides, when did "off-topic" ever stop us??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guildedagain View Post
    By the time I found the Strat case, there was a giant pile of cases that didn't go to anything and he sold me the whole lot for a song. I had an old SAAB 900 3dr (about as much room as a 1/2 ton truck inside) and I filled it to the gills with cases, $50 I think it was. Took me about three years to sell them all, and each time, I reunited a rare guitar with the correct case.

    Some people, like me, get just as obsessed about finding the right case as any other part of GASsing. The most expensive cases, for the most expensive guitars, like a Sunburst Flametop, can hit upwards of $3000 for a mint 5 latch "Cali girl" case.

    Some guys sell the original case to buy a new clean smelling SKB case.
    Some guys sell the SKB and find the original case.
    I'm that guy.
    I love that story.
    Just corroborates my own answer:
    Quote Originally Posted by GAD View Post
    What's your opinion on vintage guitars with non-original cases? The collector in me likes to see all-original, but as an example, I have a '66 Starfire III that's in great condition but it's in one of the terrible (IMO) almost chipboard cases that were the cheap option of the day if you didn't want to pay for a real hardshell case.

    To properly protect the guitar, I'm tempted to buy a Newark Street TKL case that fits it perfectly, but then I'll have an extra useless case. Also, I hate the idea of separating the case from the guitar when they've been together for over 50 years. What say you?
    Primary over-riding goal: Protect the guitar.
    But keep that old case for exactly the reasons you mention.
    There's another guy like you out there that'll see the value in it someday. (As some mentioned already, I do too.)
    Maybe Grot could store it for you until it's time for the kids to liquidate your estate.
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    My local shop has a wall full of cases with no guitars. A few years ago, I put a rectangular Gibson electric case on consignment there, and it sold within a few weeks. So someone was definitely looking for it...

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