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    Any Thoughts On This??????

    On for example a 1978 Gibson L6S Deluxe (signed by Chong of Cheech and Chong) or a 1990 G&L ASAT Classic (signed by Leo Fender), do the signatures detract from sales value, add to it or have zero impact??? The guy has no COA verifying the signatures.

    Personally, I'm not a fan of signature guitars but I rarely just arbitrarily rule anything out based upon something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardp69 View Post
    On for example a 1978 Gibson L6S Deluxe (signed by Chong of Cheech and Chong) or a 1990 G&L ASAT Classic (signed by Leo Fender), do the signatures detract from sales value, add to it or have zero impact??? The guy has no COA verifying the signatures.

    Personally, I'm not a fan of signature guitars but I rarely just arbitrarily rule anything out based upon something like that.
    Unless there's some form of authentication, provenance, and a chain of custody, I think they're worth whatever the underlying guitar is worth, if not less for what may be nothing more than graffiti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardp69 View Post
    On for example a 1978 Gibson L6S Deluxe (signed by Chong of Cheech and Chong) or a 1990 G&L ASAT Classic (signed by Leo Fender), do the signatures detract from sales value, add to it or have zero impact??? The guy has no COA verifying the signatures.
    Provenance is EVERYTHING when it comes to adding any value, otherwise it could very well be a detract.
    A handwriting expert's appraisal might establish authenticity but even then not add value to the degree of something like a pic of the item in question in the autographer's hands.
    Absent any provenance, zero or even negative value add from an impartial appraiser's viewpoint.
    Quote Originally Posted by richardp69 View Post
    Personally, I'm not a fan of signature guitars but I rarely just arbitrarily rule anything out based upon something like that.
    Me neither but I'm more open to the ones that have a logical connection with the instrument, for that reason my personal interest would gravitate towards the Leo Fender signed G&L, IF it was authenticated.
    Otherwise, pass.
    And as much as I might like Tommy Chong, I think in 25 years or even less nobody's gonna care much who he was anymore, if they even remember.
    But Leo's already got a permanent place in history.
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    The G&L was a signature model and came from the factory with his signature. You can find them for as low as ~$1000. Still a great Tele, undervalued as most G&Ls.
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    Regardless of whether or not the signatures are authenticated, I tend to think the market for buyers shrinks with something like this (unless the signature is in an inconspicuous area like on a label inside the sound hole. Some people can't stand the sight of a signature on a guitar top or on the neck or headstock.
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    Seems like you'd need to take each situation on a case by case basis.

    Leo Fender's verifiable signature on the G&L seems quite cool & desirable.

    Chong - worth nothing, imho.

    Paul McCartney's signature on a Casino or Texan - heck yes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    Provenance is EVERYTHING when it comes to adding any value, otherwise it could very well be a detract.
    Yes, that's the starting point on this issue. After that, it totally depends on whose signature it is. Retro Rocker's F50R with Kristofferson's signature is super cool, especially considering the circumstances of backing him on stage, having photos taken, etc., etc. I generally don't like the idea, but if a guitar is signed by a significant star, somebody at the level of, like, Joni Mitchell, and you can prove it's not fake, and if it's done tastefully, then sure, I'd go for it.

    By the way, I've got a guitar up for sale on reverb that has John Lennon's signature on it. Price reduced!

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    Cougs, that's actually pretty cool. Good luck with the sale of that Epi.
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    Provenance is everything. But there are collectors who will pay a little more for something with a weaker provenance than others. Starting value is the value of the unsigned item. Many players will consider an autograph as defacing the instrument and thus detracting from the value.

    It is worth confirming that we are dealing with an autograph and not just a facsimile signature applied during construction to indicate that an instrument is a particular artist's signature model.
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    +1 to what has been said above about provenance, etc..

    Leo Fender - yes!

    Tommy Chong - no!

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