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Thread: F50R New Hartford slightly superior to Westerly JF55 tonewise?

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    I don't get the issue with Antney's post. It reads to me that he dais that sometimes a mass produced low cost guitar can sometimes sound better than an expensive boutique type guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FNG View Post
    I don't get the issue with Antney's post. It reads to me that he dais that sometimes a mass produced low cost guitar can sometimes sound better than an expensive boutique type guitar.
    Me neither, but he might have edited the offensive bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FNG View Post
    I don't get the issue with Antney's post. It reads to me that he said that sometimes a mass produced low cost guitar can sometimes sound better than an expensive boutique type guitar.
    That's exactly how I read it too.
    Hoping Chaz won't take this wrong but sometimes he does misinterpret posts.
    And in fairness, sometimes they're not worded all that well, I should know. (insert sheepish grin emoji here)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar View Post
    Me neither, but he might have edited the offensive bit.
    Nope, edits show up with a time stamp, no edit.
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    Hoping Chaz won't take this wrong but sometimes he does misinterpret posts.


    Ha! About as often as Al is corrected???
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    Quote Originally Posted by beecee View Post
    Hoping Chaz won't take this wrong but sometimes he does misinterpret posts.


    Ha! About as often as Al is corrected???
    Not quite sure how to take that, but suspect there was a bit of elbow-in-the-ribs humor intended.
    In terms of raw count comparison, ie, misinterpretations vs corrections, I'm pretty sure I'm way ahead of him, but as percentage of total posts, even limiting 'em to my purely informational ones, I'd say my accuracy rate's pretty d--n good.
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    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
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    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antney View Post
    Hi Geoff

    I don’t understand questions like this one. Each guitar is tonally individual within itself. It begins with a completely unique set of organic materials that surrender themselves to the coincidence of human, mechanical, and chemical interaction to become the instruments we love or not. Even within that one instrument there are circumstances that enhance or prohibit optimum tone, either over the life of the instrument or even day to day. Comparisons therefore simply can’t hold any water.

    I can guarantee this, however: everyday in China a no-name brand guitar comes out of finishing with a tonal palette that surpasses that of a high end American made thud. It’s simply the coincidence of the interaction.
    I don't see anything offensive here - just a somewhat overstated attempt to say that no two guitars are the same.

    That said, I believe the point of the OP's question is quite valid. It is possible to draw generalizations about tone from various eras of a company's production, and frequently with guitars, a particular model will develop a signature tone - based on the best examples of that model over time. What's important to remember is that these are generalizations, and there will clearly be a spectrum of differences within any given model's (or era's) production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    Not quite sure how to take that, but suspect there was a bit of elbow-in-the-ribs humor intended.
    In terms of raw count comparison, ie, misinterpretations vs corrections, I'm pretty sure I'm way ahead of him, but as percentage of total posts, even limiting 'em to my purely informational ones, I'd say my accuracy rate's pretty d--n good.
    You and Chaz are two of my favorite LTGers so keep on keeping on in your respective talents and approaches to LTGness :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westerly Wood View Post
    You and Chaz are two of my favorite LTGers so keep on keeping on in your respective talents and approaches to LTGness :)
    So no showdown?



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    "Time May Change the Technique of Music But Never Its Mission " - Rachmaninoff
    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    So no showdown?



    I got a small bag of gluten free popcorn ready to go.

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    Not quite sure how to take that, but suspect there was a bit of elbow-in-the-ribs humor intended.

    It was in jest......but in retrospect, poorly written.
    NH 2011 D-40 Standard, 2014 Orpheum 000-12 Fret SH Hog, 2010 F-412, 2010 F-512.

    Westerly: Songbird, JF-30-12, 1976 F-212, 1971 D-25 CH, 1982 D-70, F4CE, 1996 D-26

    Westerly Series OM-140 SB

    Ibanez V-302

    Madeira A-2...(don't laugh!)

    Most of the pain associated with my playing comes from having to listen to me. frono

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