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    F50r

    I'm kinda in the market for an F50R....I found one but it's advertised as "Navarre"...
    I've run into the term Navarre a few times...but I don't know what it means
    as far as Guild models are concerned...

    Can anyone enlighten me please...??
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    It's just part of the model name, Steve... And not used often here since, well, the F-50 is such an iconic and well-known model.

    I googled it, and it's a town in Spain. My guess is that the guys were paying homage to some of the guitar-making tradition that came from Spain, but that's a wild guess.
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    Think the F50 Navarre was the top of the line Flat top when introduced. You said F50R and assume you mean rosewood. Just be sure on the wood. F50 Navarre is maple I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuball48 View Post
    Just be sure on the wood. F50 Navarre is maple I think.
    Look in Hans' book pages 115 and 116 ! Both were called Navarre. The Navarre F-50 was introduced 1954 and the Navarre F-50R in 1965. Mind, also the F-48 model was called Navarre.

    And as Chazmo said, the model names are Spanish areas. (Navarre, Valencia, Aragon, Granada, Cordoba)

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    Last edited by SFIV1967; 02-06-2019 at 09:55 AM.

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    don’t forget the M-30 “Del Rio”

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazmo View Post
    It's just part of the model name....
    I don't expect it's anywhere on the label. So it has no meaning? What good is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar View Post
    I don't expect it's anywhere on the label. So it has no meaning? What good is it?
    I'm not sure if those were serious questions or not, Cougs, but the answers are "correct," and "I have no idea."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFIV1967 View Post
    Look in Hans' book pages 115 and 116 ! Both were called Navarre. The Navarre F-50 was introduced 1954 and the Navarre F-50R in 1965. Mind, also the F-48 model was called Navarre.

    And as Chazmo said, the model names are Spanish areas. (Navarre, Valencia, Aragon, Granada, Cordoba)

    Ralf
    Right, the province names were associated with a given model, Navarre F50, Valencia F40 , and Aragon F30 , but as far as I know they never used "Granada" or "Cordoba" (which was actually known for its leather)
    They fell out of use and Guild even stopped using 'em in their marketing lit by the late '70's.
    They were revived starting with the "Valencia" in '97 to help promote the capabilities of the new Nashville Custom Shop, died off again in Corona, and were revived in Tacoma with the F30 Aragon and the "Bluegrass Special" and "Bluegrass Jubilee" D50's and D40's, 2 other traditional Guild model names.
    Don't think they ever revived the use of "Navarre" for the F50, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by chazmo View Post
    It's just part of the model name, Steve... And not used often here since, well, the F-50 is such an iconic and well-known model.
    I googled it, and it's a town in Spain. My guess is that the guys were paying homage to some of the guitar-making tradition that came from Spain, but that's a wild guess.
    Yeah I've mentioned that before, there's not really any other conclusion to be logically drawn.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar View Post
    I don't expect it's anywhere on the label. So it has no meaning? What good is it?
    Suspect the rationale was that Spain is the country most identified with the development of the modern guitar, enhanced by being the birthplace of the flamenco tradition.
    Different regions had their own local flamenco traditions and styles.
    According to his obituary Guild's legendary Chief Designer Carlo Greco didn't come to America until '58, so he wasn't involved in choosing those model names, but Hans has mentioned before that he was schooled in the Spanish construction techniques himself, and to this day, if you really want to establish your creds as a classical luthier, you go to Spain and study under a master..
    Quote Originally Posted by mavuser View Post
    don’t forget the M-30 “Del Rio”
    Not actually a province or town , just means "by the River", but possibly a reference to Almodovar Del Rio, a castle in the province of Cordoba, region of Andalusia:

    Andalusia contains the town of Malaga which gave its name to the time-honored folk piece "Malaguene", itself a root of the flamenco tradition, being originally a fandango or couples dance, complete with the castanets..
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    So Madeira continues in the time honored Guild tradition...


    I know...Portugal...same thing!
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    Hello

    My first Guild was DE400 - then in spring 1971 I was in Zürich and there in local music store got my first ever Guild acoustic guitar brochure - the narrow folded thing - and there were pictures of beautiful guitars - and I nailed my eyes to Navarre - only to go and get F50R while visiting MN 1975.

    So methinks Navarre stands for body size - there are other Navarres besides F50 & F50R
    First good guitar - GUILD Duane Eddy 400 - I was 3rd owner - still regret letting it go 25 years ago - used to have Artist Award and Starfire - no regrets here.
    Present guitars - all bought new - F50R 1975 - F512 1977 - F212CSB 1979 - OM-240CE 2018 - Schecter Startocaster
    Bought secondhand - B30SB fretless - RED Songbird - White Songbird - S-60D - D-125 - Gibson 3/4-size acoustic 1957 - Carmelo Gonzales nylon string - old Levin Lute

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