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    Quote Originally Posted by bobouz View Post
    Guess I'm a bit puzzled. None of these mid '60s beauties look anything like what I've always considered to be the F-30's "mini-jumbo" shape version - which I believe first appeared in late '72, and for sure in '73 with both the F-30 & F-30R. These are clearly distinguished by a very round bottom (measuring 15-3/8" on my '73 F-30R) and deep lower bout (4-7/8"), combined with a much smaller upper bout (a hair over 11") - truly mimicking the miniaturized shape of a jumbo Guild or Gibson.

    The two '60s examples above appear to have some very slight differences in curvature, but both more closely resemble a Martin 000 shape - and I'm guessing their body measurements would be virtually identical.

    Imho, it seems like a misnomer to be calling one of them a mini-jumbo shape. That said, I believe the world will keep turning!
    You're right Bobouz, the "mini-jumbo" F30 I've always known is the early 70's model... I thought that the F30 had gone from the Hoboken OM body style to the Westerly Mini-Jumbo at that time. That's why MJ's 66 has got me puzzled. Its kind of a mix between both versions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeTower View Post
    Great observations Al. I’m curious, if Guild moved to the Westerly shop around 66-67, could it be that during the transition, some F30s were built at the Hoboken shop and some at the Westerly shop which could explain the discrenpencies?
    No, because this shift in '65 preceded even the purchase (or lease?) of Westerly (in '66) let alone the move of production.
    First guitars out of Westerly were M20's in '67.
    This doesn't mean they didn't build the same model in both locations, I don't know, although logistically it doesn't seem to make sense: one would think at the vey least they'd want all body bucks in one place, as well as any other stages peculiar to a given instrument.
    I did have a chance to check the book this AM, though, and lo and behold, the F112 was actually introduced in '66, it's just not visible by the serial number records.
    So I think it's another piece of circumstantial evidence that might explain why the body shape change occurred in '65:
    Maybe they were already contemplating F-112 production, and adding bucks for increased capacity.
    Hans mentioned in the book that 2500 F30's were built between '65 and '69, implying it was a hefty production boom for 'em.
    The F112 was based on F30 specs but a little deeper.
    That could have been accommodated by existing F30 bucks because they actually varied in depth even for the same model, but again that's just possible supporting evidence, no confirmation I know of unless Hans chimes in.
    Or maybe they added new bucks for the capacity reason alone, and introduced the new outline at the same time.
    I still suspect what really happened is that the old F30 bucks got used for F112's until the early '70's though, because they had the "old" outline when introduced and only got the new outline later, as I mentioned earlier.
    Mavuser can confirm that, he posted pics of his own a couple of months back..
    Hans mentioned in the book that 2500 F30's were built between '65 and '69, implying it was a hefty production boom for 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobouz View Post
    Guess I'm a bit puzzled. None of these mid '60s beauties look anything like what I've always considered to be the F-30's "mini-jumbo" shape version - which I believe first appeared in late '72, and for sure in '73 with both the F-30 & F-30R. These are clearly distinguished by a very round bottom (measuring 15-3/8" on my '73 F-30R) and deep lower bout (4-7/8"), combined with a much smaller upper bout (a hair over 11") - truly mimicking the miniaturized shape of a jumbo Guild or Gibson.
    Actually the book says the F30R was introduced with a 15-1/2" lower bout as opposed to the standard 15" of the F30.
    Suspect maybe that crept over to regular F30's over time?
    *EDIT*:
    Actually I now realize that just because it says the F30R had 15-1/2" lower bout, doesn't mean the F30 didn't already have it before the F30R was introduced.
    I've learned I've gotta be very careful about reading stuff into Han's statements.
    I know what you mean about "mini-jumbo", though, I was sure Clyde was using the terms (including "OM") casually and went along with it for ease of conversation in the known assumptions of this thread.
    And I think you're right, looking at images I can see the more pronounced difference in the mid '70's outline when I shift the image search to '75.
    Like this little jewel (courtesy of Hans who's posted it here before):

    Post #4, here:
    http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sho...luxe-trimmings.
    And finally, the later strip tuners?
    Confirmed as Japanese in "the Book" but no maker ID'd there.
    Last edited by adorshki; 01-11-2019 at 05:50 PM.
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    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    I know what you mean about "mini-jumbo", though, I was sure Clyde was using the terms (including "OM") casually and went along with it for ease of conversation in the known assumptions of this thread.
    Exactly, I used the terms loosely to highlight the subtle differences in shape I could perceive between 65 and 66 to avoid having to describe them in detail. I'm still fascinated how Guild could manage to modify a body style during the same production run and why they would chose to do so. The "quirkiness" of it all makes these old vintage Guilds even more unique and desirable to me... Wouldn't mind picking up a 60's D40 at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    I did have a chance to check the book this AM, though, and lo and behold, the F112 was actually introduced in '66, it's just not visible by the serial number records.
    Already posted this some time ago, but the F-212XL was introduced in 1966 and the F-112 in 1968. It was reversed in the 'headline' of page 129 (of 'The Guild Guitar Book'), but it should be clear when you read the rest of the text on that page and the price lists in the back of the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hansmoust View Post
    Already posted this some time ago, but the F-212XL was introduced in 1966 and the F-112 in 1968. It was reversed in the 'headline' of page 129 (of 'The Guild Guitar Book'), but it should be clear when you read the rest of the text on that page and the price lists in the back of the book.

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    THANK YOU!
    Yes, I was in a hurry when I was looking for the page this AM, (I keep the book at home, not here where I post from) then went to the tuning pegs.
    Al
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    Tale of the tape

    I put the tape on my ‘66 F-30. Here are the numbers.

    Widths:
    LB: 15 1/16”
    UB: 11 11/16”
    Waist: 9 3/16”

    Overall length: 40 5/16”

    Scale: 24 1/2”

    Depths:
    LB: 4 1/8”
    UB: 3 5/8”

    It goes to Fixit’s shop next week.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjurban View Post
    For those interested ...






    Welcome to the forum mjurban! As you can see this is a place of knowledge and resources - especially as it relates to Guild brand.
    Man she is a dynamite looking specimen. Good luck on getting her to some former glory!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeTower View Post
    I noticed also, both guitars have different shapes, the 66 has the mini-jumbo shape and the 65 has the classic OM shape. Did the shape change in 66 or were both models produced at the same time?
    It is only an optical illusion of different angles of the pictures. The F-30 body shape was the same from about 1959 to 1969/70 with 15 1/8 lower bout and 4 1/8" thick body. In 1970 that changed to 15 1/2" lower bout and 4 7/8" thick body. I used a picture of a 1962 one, a 1968 one and a 1970 one with the exact angle of the picture and when you put them on top of each other (electronically making them transparent) they fit 100% in shape. It's hard to find guitar pictures with the same exact angle of the picture.
    Ralf
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjurban View Post
    Anyone know where to get a period correct truss rod cover?
    They show up quite often on ebay or Reverb. But sometimes very pricey! I just post some links:

    https://reverb.com/item/11998615-gui...russ-rod-cover

    Here's one for a real good price! https://reverb.com/item/17262814-gui...-cover-60s-70s

    Ralf

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