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    Quote Originally Posted by mjurban View Post
    Adorshki, yeah, I misspoke, the bridge will have to be replaced. Should have said a thinner bridge might not be an option at this point. In any event, weíll see what Mr. Fixit has to say.

    Rampside, yes, Iíll hang on to the case. However, I think Iíll retire it to a quiet, dry place in a closet, and find a fresh, young case to assume itís functional duties.

    The truss rod cover went missing several years ago. Itís on the list of things to discuss with Mr. Fixit, but perhaps a fit question for this crowd as well. Anyone know where to get a period correct truss rod cover? I have looked at Hans Moustís site, and the 60ís covers are sold out, although there were a couple others that looked close. Any other recommended sources?

    Finally, anyone know who made the ď3 on a plateĒ tuners on this guitar? They are working fine, although theyíve never been the smoothest. Iíve always wondered who made them.
    Tuners remind me of the Klusons on my '62 Epiphone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeTower View Post
    I noticed also, both guitars have different shapes, the 66 has the mini-jumbo shape and the 65 has the classic OM shape. Did the shape change in 66 or were both models produced at the same time?
    I bet Hans knows, but given what we've seen about how Guild operated it wouldn't surprise me if Guild was actually using both body bucks for a while, introducing the new body outline as a "running production change".
    I actually thought it happened later, because the 12-string version of the F30, the F-112, went through the same evolution in the early '70's.

    NOW I wonder if they started using old F30 bucks to make F112's when they introduced 'em in '68? (according to the s/n charts)
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    Clyde, good eye, that is the same crack in the same place. Noticed it myself just this morning when I was wiping it down before taking some more pictures.

    Not sure about the size question, but the pick guards are different also.
    Mike

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    Overall it looks like you kept it in nice condition over its 5 decades. Giving it the Fixit spa treatment will be just the thing it needs to get back into prime playing condition. Quite a gem you have there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjurban View Post
    Clyde, good eye, that is the same crack in the same place. Noticed it myself just this morning when I was wiping it down before taking some more pictures.

    Not sure about the size question, but the pick guards are different also.
    Mike
    Hopefully, Hans can chime in on the 65 vs 66 body style.
    I also noticed that the tuners are different. See here the 66:



    VS the 65:




    Anyway, I can say that the crack only adds to the mojo. Awesome guitar!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeTower View Post
    Hopefully, Hans can chime in on the 65 vs 66 body style.
    Just to keep things interesting, here's one ID'd as a '65 (and correctly, according to the s/n charts):

    And it's showing the "mini-jumbo" outline and the new pickguard but appears to have the same tuners as yours, identified as Van Ghent by the seller, here:
    http://www.retrofret.com/products.asp?ProductID=7034
    I do remember Hans referencing them before, now, but I think MJ's are a Japanese maker, just can't recall the name.
    It looks like the change actually occurred during '65.
    Which goes right along with all kinds of previous evidence we've seen that Guild just changed things as needed, like when "old parts" ran out; I can't recall ever seeing a change that was tied to a calendar year roll-over, if that's what you were thinking.
    I also see that your guitar has no volute but MJ's does.
    (And I thought it was the older ones that had the volute!)
    But the mini-jumbo shaped '65 shown above doesn't have one either.
    So it looks like they changed the neck style even after they introduced the new body shape.
    MJ: Can you tell we kinda enjoy digging into all these little production anomalies ?

    Oh, btw, for comparison, (also correctly ID'd as a 65 according to s/n charts, here) here's the "old" outline which had wider looking/flatter shoulders and a more angular pinch at the waist, and a flatter bottom, too, more easily seen from a head-on perspective:

    Difference most readily apparent in the upper bout shapes.
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    Al
    "Time May Change the Technique of Music But Never Its Mission " - Rachmaninoff
    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    Just to keep things interesting, here's one ID'd as a '65 (and correctly, according to the s/n charts):

    And it's showing the "mini-jumbo" outline and the new pickguard but appears to have the same tuners as yours, identified as Van Ghent by the seller, here:
    http://www.retrofret.com/products.asp?ProductID=7034
    I do remember Hans referencing them before, now, but I think MJ's are a Japanese maker, just can't recall the name.
    It looks like the change actually occurred during '65.
    Which goes right along with all kinds of previous evidence we've seen that Guild just changed things as needed, like when "old parts" ran out; I can't recall ever seeing a change that was tied to a calendar year roll-over, if that's what you were thinking.
    I also see that your guitar has no volute but MJ's does.
    (And I thought it was the older ones that had the volute!)
    But the mini-jumbo shaped '65 shown above doesn't have one either.
    So it looks like they changed the neck style even after they introduced the new body shape.
    MJ: Can you tell we kinda enjoy digging into all these little production anomalies ?

    Oh, btw, for comparison, (also correctly ID'd as a 65 according to s/n charts, here) here's the "old" outline which had wider looking/flatter shoulders and a more angular pinch at the waist, and a flatter bottom, too, more easily seen from a head-on perspective:

    Difference most readily apparent in the upper bout shapes.
    Great observations Al. I’m curious, if Guild moved to the Westerly shop around 66-67, could it be that during the transition, some F30s were built at the Hoboken shop and some at the Westerly shop which could explain the discrenpencies?
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    I'll second that. Tom fixed a bridge crack in my JF-55, like the one you mentioned; someone had apparently jammed in some oversized pins at some point in its past. He glued it then painted over and it now looks and functions like new. (Looking from the inside, he found that the crack didn't extend into the bridge plate, so I guess I was lucky.) Tom also did some more extensive work on my D-55; see that story in the "My First Guild" thread from a couple years ago.

    As for whether it's worth it, only you can decide, but I lean toward fixing what I know and love. I don't mind having more $$ invested in a guitar than it's worth, as long as I'm in it for the long haul. My heirs can sort out market value when the time comes.
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    Hey mj!! Welcome to the forum. You've come to the right place for advice. That's a beautiful old F-30 and you'll be so glad you spent the time and money to make it right again. I have a D65S (fairly rare) that I bought new in 1994. Amazing guitar but then life intervened and after a hospital stay and Ambien (don't take it!) dose, I fell and crashed the soundboard and broke a brace and ..... there was only ONE person I'd EVER consider sending that guitar to!! And it was Tom Jacobs. He did some real magic on the repairs and he and his wife (and Dave) are a joy to work with!! You'll not be sorry. He'll do what you NEED and communicate all the way and ... you won't be sorry.

    Congrats on that fine old girl!! And welcome and keep us posted how it's going, okay??
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    Guess I'm a bit puzzled. None of these mid '60s beauties look anything like what I've always considered to be the F-30's "mini-jumbo" shape version - which I believe first appeared in late '72, and for sure in '73 with both the F-30 & F-30R. These are clearly distinguished by a very round bottom (measuring 15-3/8" on my '73 F-30R) and deep lower bout (4-7/8"), combined with a much smaller upper bout (a hair over 11") - truly mimicking the miniaturized shape of a jumbo Guild or Gibson.

    The two '60s examples above appear to have some very slight differences in curvature, but both more closely resemble a Martin 000 shape - and I'm guessing their body measurements would be virtually identical.

    Imho, it seems like a misnomer to be calling one of them a mini-jumbo shape. That said, I believe the world will keep turning!
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