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    Westerly Starfire IV Build

    Hello all at LTG, I've recently gotten my hands on a Westerly Starfire IV body that I've identified thanks to GAD's article which pointed out it was 1 1/2" thick. I plan on making this look like a traditional Guild when I'm done, without breaking the bank, meaning I will be buying the NS HB1 pickups and knobs. I already have tuners and a bridge but I need help with the tailpiece. I was hoping to put a Bigsby on it but I am not so sure since this Starfire is so thin. If the Bigsby isn't an option I was wondering where I could find a Starfire IV harp tailpiece that would fit. I've looked at a few Guild harp tailpieces on Reverb and the official Guild store but it seems to me that I'd need to source one specific to this year.

    This will be the first guitar that I will be attempting to put back together myself and I am looking forward to the challenge.

    Guild X-2000
    Serial Number: CL000054
    Was left unfinished at Guild Factory
    Has SD-1 Pickups and Starfire IV Hardware

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    Nice. Good luck, IROC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IROCZ28 View Post
    Hello all at LTG, I've recently gotten my hands on a Westerly Starfire IV body that I've identified thanks to GAD's article which pointed out it was 1 1/2" thick. I already have tuners and a bridge but I need help with the tailpiece. I was hoping to put a Bigsby on it but I am not so sure since this Starfire is so thin. If the Bigsby isn't an option I was wondering where I could find a Starfire IV harp tailpiece that would fit. I've looked at a few Guild harp tailpieces on Reverb and the official Guild store but it seems to me that I'd need to source one specific to this year.

    Hello IROCZ28,

    Starfire IVs from that particular period were not set up with harp tailpieces, but with 'Gibson style' stop tailpieces. You could find a harp tailpiece that would fit the thinner-style body though!

    Sincerely,

    Hans Moust
    www.guitarsgalore.nl

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    Quote Originally Posted by hansmoust View Post
    Hello IROCZ28,

    Starfire IVs from that particular period were not set up with harp tailpieces, but with 'Gibson style' stop tailpieces. You could find a harp tailpiece that would fit the thinner-style body though!

    Sincerely,

    Hans Moust
    www.guitarsgalore.nl
    Would it be correct to say that that particular instrument came from the factory with a harp or Bigsby seeing as there are no studs for a stop tailpiece?

    Screw holes around the tail pin would give clues.
    DTC

    1958 T-100, 1964 S-50, 1964 M-65, 1976 S-300 (bolt-on neck), 1977 D-25, 1977 S-300, 1979 S-300A, 1983 S-25, 1984 Detonator, 1987 Nightbird (spruce top), 1988 D-15, 2001 Blues90, 2002 Bluesbird P90, 2014 Aristocrat

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    Quote Originally Posted by DThomasC View Post
    Would it be correct to say that that particular instrument came from the factory with a harp or Bigsby seeing as there are no studs for a stop tailpiece?
    It is very well possible that this superstructure never had any hardware to begin with!

    Sincerely,

    Hans Moust
    www.guitarsgalore.nl

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    Of course you're right. I hadn't noticed that there are no holes for tuners.

    An interesting find.
    DTC

    1958 T-100, 1964 S-50, 1964 M-65, 1976 S-300 (bolt-on neck), 1977 D-25, 1977 S-300, 1979 S-300A, 1983 S-25, 1984 Detonator, 1987 Nightbird (spruce top), 1988 D-15, 2001 Blues90, 2002 Bluesbird P90, 2014 Aristocrat

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    Quote Originally Posted by DThomasC View Post
    Of course you're right. I hadn't noticed that there are no holes for tuners.

    An interesting find.
    Actually there are holes for the tuners:



    But Hans is right in saying that there was no hardware on this to begin with.
    There is no output jack or stop tailpiece holes, nor holes for a harp tailpiece.
    The holes for the humbuckers appear to be just pilot holes.









    I got this body from my uncle and I asked him how it ended up in its current condition. (He worked at Westerly Guild)
    He says that this Starfire was orignially taken off the line due to peeling stain. It was originally a smoke burst color, but with a lot of heat from a hair dryer or hot air gun he was able to peel off the original stain and refinish it in Blonde.
    You can still see the finish wasnt perfect on the back in the bottom right as there are remnants of a darker smoke finish there. He also just told me that the original hardware for this guitar is actually in my X-2000... (SD-1 pickups, Tuners, tailpiece, etc.)
    So I can make it original if I take my X-2000 completley apart, but it'll probably be less hassle just to get new parts as the X-2000 is sounding perfect.
    Guild X-2000
    Serial Number: CL000054
    Was left unfinished at Guild Factory
    Has SD-1 Pickups and Starfire IV Hardware

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    That is so cool!

    Wait - Tell me more about the X2000!
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    Is that the X-2000 in your avatar?

    walrus
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    Hello

    i had quick look at "GADs ramblings" - found this :


    To summarize the often confusing nomenclature of the Starfire line:
    Starfire I: Very early 1960’s Stafires that came with only a neck pickup.
    Starfire II: Thin completely hollow body guitar – harp tailpiece
    Starfire III: Same as SFII, but with a Guildsby vibrato tailpiece
    Starfire IV: Thin semi-hollow body guitar – large center block – harp or stop tailpiece
    Starfire V: Same as SFIV, but with a Guildsby vibrato tailpiece
    Starfire VI: Same as SFV, but with high-end appointments. Highly flamed wood, gold hardware, 7-layer binding, bound ebony fretboard, abalone inlays, etc.



    So - Starfire IV: Thin semi-hollow body guitar – large center block – harp or stop tailpiece

    Yours was meant to have stop tailpiece?
    First good guitar - GUILD Duane Eddy 400 - I was 3rd owner - still regret letting it go 25 years ago - used to have Artist Award and Starfire - no regrets here.
    Present guitars - all bought new - F50R 1975 - F512 1977 - F212CSB 1979 - OM-240CE 2018 - Schecter Startocaster
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