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Thread: '61 M65 Freshman Rebuild - Bridge Help!

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    '61 M65 Freshman Rebuild - Bridge Help!

    Hello all.

    First time posting to a forum of any kind.. very exciting !

    Well, i recently acquired the neck and body of my (attainable) dream guitar - a blond Guild m65 circa 1961. Got a pickup made by local legend Lindy Frailin, spent an enjoyable afternoon grinding the cowl down to fit the smaller Franz socket.. however, I'm having a hell of a time locating an appropriate bridge. My only desire is for this guitar to play... and not look ugly. Don't have the dough or passion for a historically appropriate re-build. For a time, I was considering having the top drilled for a pinned bridge, but a well intentioned and wise friend talked me out of this.

    So - what do I do ? I can't seem to find 3/4 bridges anywhere on-line. The original was for sale next to the guitar and like an idiot i did not buy it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    yrs,
    m

    "even a blind hen will get some corn if he keeps on peckin'" . L. Helm

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    I'm sure the more knowledgeable than I will chime in with advice quite soon.
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    I bet you checked out the place where you got your guitar from (?)...

    A good luthier could make an appropriate bridge easily : I hear they are wooden ones...

    Supro and Nashville guitars from the same era use same bridges...

    Some details here : maybe they could help, if you haven't tried yet
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD1HpoZUw6o
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    Bernie is right... find a good luthier and have one fabricated.
    Dave


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    I may be wrong but I thought the Guild 3/4 guitars are not rescaled but simply reduced by two frets. So intonation isn't affected and a bridge change wasn't required.
    Another simple option might to add a tune tuneomatic.
    M

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    The saddle would have been rosewood. And, I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same saddle used on other Guild Archtops from the era. The problem is with the base. The M-65 and M-75 have a smaller neck angle which means that the base for most bridges is too tall. Instead of a rosewood base they use a pair of metal feet.

    This one on ebay didn't come from a Guild, but it gives you the idea and would probably work: https://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTREMELY-R...aQX:rk:23:pf:0

    Otherwise, you might be able to buy a new tune-o-matic style bridge assembly for a Newark St M-75 from an authorized Guild dealer, or maybe directly from Guild. If you don't like the tune-o-matic you can still use the feet with a rosewood saddle of your choice. Perhaps this one for a plain G string: https://www.ebay.com/itm/GUILD-Rosew...S!-1:rk:5:pf:0 or this one for a wound G: https://www.ebay.com/itm/GUILD-Rosew...!-1:rk:13:pf:0

    EDIT: after cruising ebay a little more I found these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPRO-AIRLI...75.c100623.m-1 Evidently, there were some Supro / Valco / Airline guitars with similar bridges.
    Last edited by DThomasC; 12-25-2018 at 04:54 PM.
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    Welcome to LTG. The original version is hard to find. Allparts and StewMac sell various archtop bridges, you would have to file them down to the radius of the body and the radius of the fretboard. As DTC said, you might need to lower it quite a bit. Also you need to choose if you want a compensated version depending if you want to use a wound G-string or a plain G-string.
    https://hazeguitars.com/blog/an-old-g-and-a-new-g


    Quote Originally Posted by DThomasC View Post
    after cruising ebay a little more I found these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPRO-AIRLI...75.c100623.m-1 .
    They look pretty cool but to me the metal feet also look a bit too tall for a M-65.

    Ralf
    Last edited by SFIV1967; 12-25-2018 at 04:58 PM.

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    There are a ton of rosewood bridges on Ebay. Look at the pics of M65's there and buy something close. It's wood, readily modded for your needs! Have fun. You should have the two holes for the bridge posts in the top of your guitar... right? Measure the distance and find a bridge with that spacing.
    Last edited by swiveltung; 12-25-2018 at 05:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matsickma View Post
    I may be wrong but I thought the Guild 3/4 guitars are not rescaled but simply reduced by two frets. So intonation isn't affected and a bridge change wasn't required.
    Another simple option might to add a tune tuneomatic.
    M
    I would like to know if this is true also! Also, I have seen M65's advertised as full scale... I thought they were shorter by definition than an M75? Were there actually M65's that were full scale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matsickma View Post
    I may be wrong but I thought the Guild 3/4 guitars are not rescaled but simply reduced by two frets. So intonation isn't affected and a bridge change wasn't required.
    Another simple option might to add a tune tuneomatic.
    M

    Hello

    Reducing by two frets vs rescaling - what really is the difference?
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