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    New Hartford - no headstock serial numbers?

    Phantom36's thread about dating his guitar got me thinking. My NH F-30RCE does not have a headstock serial number stamp. I searched LTG and did not find anything to answer my question - does anyone know why this is the case? Did NH just decide it wasn't worth it?

    Just wondering if anyone knows the reasoning, if there is any.

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    It started in the Tacoma-era (2005ish), walrus, but yes... unfortunately, New Hartford followed along and did not put serial numbers on the back of the headstocks.
    Guilds:
    1967 MK-VI Artist Special (Hoboken - Jacobs restoration 2018) - "The Mark"
    12ers:
    1994 JF-30-12Bld (Westerly),
    2006 F-512 (Tacoma),
    2010 F-212XL STD (New Hartford) - "Connie"
    2014 Orpheum 12 OOO SHRW (New Hartford)

    Other 12ers:
    1970 Martin D-12-20
    1980 Ibanez AW-75 (Series I)
    1984 Taylor 655

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    I've never seen a New Hartford made guitar with a serial stamped into the headstock until I got my M85II Bass. No cavity or f holes on that hollow body, so the SN is stamped into the back to the headstock.

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    Cool!

    BTW, that is a pretty small stamp!

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Cool!

    BTW, that is a pretty small stamp!

    walrus
    Yeah, if just saw the image without the background info I would've assumed it was actually Newark Street model!
    Al
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    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    Ah, that's true, Sandy. I did forget to mention that there were a few with S/Ns... I think the American Patriarchs as well, if I recall?

    Boy, those are some mondo tuners, eh? :) Kind of calls out the fact that the center strip in the neck lamination is not quite dead center. But, that's only if you're truly anal-retentive and notice **** like that. :) :)
    Guilds:
    1967 MK-VI Artist Special (Hoboken - Jacobs restoration 2018) - "The Mark"
    12ers:
    1994 JF-30-12Bld (Westerly),
    2006 F-512 (Tacoma),
    2010 F-212XL STD (New Hartford) - "Connie"
    2014 Orpheum 12 OOO SHRW (New Hartford)

    Other 12ers:
    1970 Martin D-12-20
    1980 Ibanez AW-75 (Series I)
    1984 Taylor 655

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazmo View Post
    Ah, that's true, Sandy. I did forget to mention that there were a few with S/Ns... I think the American Patriarchs as well, if I recall?

    Boy, those are some mondo tuners, eh?
    It's not yet a widely-known fact that those guitars are secretly Transformers.
    The top 2 gears are their eyes.
    Last edited by adorshki; 12-19-2018 at 11:00 PM.
    Al
    "Time May Change the Technique of Music But Never Its Mission " - Rachmaninoff
    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    Damn, that's a MUCH better version of Transformers than the original. Things that turn into guitars/basses! I love it. The real power, though, is in the Marshall stacks! :)
    Guilds:
    1967 MK-VI Artist Special (Hoboken - Jacobs restoration 2018) - "The Mark"
    12ers:
    1994 JF-30-12Bld (Westerly),
    2006 F-512 (Tacoma),
    2010 F-212XL STD (New Hartford) - "Connie"
    2014 Orpheum 12 OOO SHRW (New Hartford)

    Other 12ers:
    1970 Martin D-12-20
    1980 Ibanez AW-75 (Series I)
    1984 Taylor 655

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    Not a fan of the non-stamp, no. That's not carrying on a tradition.

    Ralph

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    Quote Originally Posted by F312 View Post
    Not a fan of the non-stamp, no. That's not carrying on a tradition.

    Ralph
    Agreed when it meant that paper labels were the only source of ID< since they're too easily damaged or lost.
    But at least Oxnard's method with the plate on the heelblock seems to offer a return to durability of the identifying mark.
    Al
    "Time May Change the Technique of Music But Never Its Mission " - Rachmaninoff
    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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