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Thread: I went and done it... picked up an SJ200. I need an intervention!

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    Some individual guitars are great, even when other guitars of the same make and model are not typically exemplary.

    15 or so years ago, I stumbled across an early '50s SJ200 that had a little water damage, resulting in some loose bracing. My luthier fixed it, but it didn't sound too good. Knowledgable people said, 'that's why they call a J200 the Whispering Giant.'

    I put it up for sale in an Austin music store and actually worked a multi-instrument trade out on old Tele I wanted. It took about six weeks to put the deal together.

    At the end of six weeks, I drove to Austin to complete the transaction. At the store, I made the mistake of playing the J200 again. All the tite-bond glue had dried, the guitar had woken up and.....well, it sounded amazing!

    The moral is, you never know if a guitar is good or not until it's in good shape and you play it for a while.

    Congrats on the SJ200!
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    And I like Harry's approach.
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  2. #12
    I have always wanted a J200, but that price...... It is the one guitar I may never have. That one is a beauty for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezstrummer View Post
    I have always wanted a J200, but that price...... It is the one guitar I may never have. That one is a beauty for sure.
    Wait for the liquidation sale.
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  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by ezstrummer View Post
    I have always wanted a J200, but that price...... It is the one guitar I may never have. That one is a beauty for sure.
    Quote Originally Posted by AcornHouse View Post
    Wait for the liquidation sale.
    A Guild F55 has a MSRP of $4870 vs a Gibson SJ200 standard which starts at $3799... The Guild is over $1K more than the SJ...

    Just keepin it real :-)
    Last edited by ClydeTower; 03-23-2018 at 02:04 PM.
    1965 Guild F30
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    2017 Guild F55e SB
    2015 Gibson Sheryl Crow SJ
    2017 Gibson SJ200 SB
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    2009 Fender Strat
    2015 Epi Les Paul Traditionnal

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    OMG, $4870? Really? Even if MAP drops to 20-30% lower than that MSRP, it's still too high. I guess I haven't been paying attention. That makes me pretty sad.

    Jeez, what was the last MSRP for an F-50R from New Hartford? $3200, 3300 or so? Maybe I'm just really out of touch here. MSRP is meaningless of course, but still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazmo View Post
    OMG, $4870? Really? Even if MAP drops to 20-30% lower than that MSRP, it's still too high. I guess I haven't been paying attention. That makes me pretty sad.

    Jeez, what was the last MSRP for an F-50R from New Hartford? $3200, 3300 or so? Maybe I'm just really out of touch here. MSRP is meaningless of course, but still.
    Guild's (Cordoba) website is kinda lacking in regards to proper information and Gibson's have a gizzilion versions of the same guitar so its kind of difficult to compare prices, but based on MAP prices I've seen for new top end Guilds vs Gibsons, I'd say they're in the same wheelhouse for USA built guitars. So I'd be cautious about singling out Gibson as the king of over priced guitars... it seems that Cordoba wants in on this action also.

    http://guildguitars.com/g/f-55-in-antique-sunburst/

    My 2017 SJ200 cost me $2700 which I think is fair when compared to other USA built jumbos out there. YMMV
    Last edited by ClydeTower; 03-23-2018 at 03:04 PM.
    1965 Guild F30
    2012 Guild D55
    2017 Guild F55e SB
    2015 Gibson Sheryl Crow SJ
    2017 Gibson SJ200 SB
    2015 Taylor 214
    2009 Fender Strat
    2015 Epi Les Paul Traditionnal

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    Not to upset anyone but Gibson has always been the King of Overpriced guitars, at least for the last 15-20 years anyway. It is one of the main reasons they are in the situation they are in now. Your SJ200 sold at $2700 was also a Demo Model if I recall correctly which is even further discounted from what the normal bottom dollar is. Doesn't make it any less of a guitar but not really a A/A comparison for a non demo model selling new. As far as New Hartford F50R's and F512's go, in 2014 before the sale of the company to Cordoba and the liquidation of Stock by Fender you could get a Brand New First Run A-Stock F50R with the DTAR Multisource, Premium Case, and Full Warranty from a licensed Guild Dealer shipped to your front door for $2400. An F50 Maple was $2300. They had a MSRP of $3499 or $3599 with the factory pickup, somewhere around there. The F512 model first run A-Stock with the same pickup, case, and warranty options from the same dealer shipped to the front door was $2500. The F412 was $2400. MSRP for both of those were around $3999 with the pickup give or take. Those were the lowest prices I found them at new but mostly they were selling from other dealers for around $2700-$3000.

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    Last edited by txbumper57; 03-23-2018 at 04:22 PM.
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  8. #18
    Gibson has always been the King of Overpriced guitars, at least for the last 15-20 years anyway
    Granted my SJ200 was a floor model so I got it at a discounted price.

    However, my initial comparison was between new Cordoba Guilds and current Gibsons which I would consider comparable price wise. Its not that Gibson has brought down their prices, its that Cordoba is bringing up their prices to the same level as Gibson, which is worrisome for the brand when you see the backlash Gibson has had regarding their princing.

    When you consider MSRP for other comparable US made guitar brands, for example, for their top tier RW dreadnought :

    Taylor 810e (2018): MSRP: $3399
    Martin HD28 (2018): $3799
    Gibson hummingbird (2018): $3849
    Guild D55 burst (2018) : $4870

    Again, its hard to compare them directly because options will vary from one model to another, but for new Cordoba Guilds, the trend is undeniable... With Gibson down on one knee, we may have a new price "king" sooner than we think!
    Last edited by ClydeTower; 03-23-2018 at 05:04 PM.
    1965 Guild F30
    2012 Guild D55
    2017 Guild F55e SB
    2015 Gibson Sheryl Crow SJ
    2017 Gibson SJ200 SB
    2015 Taylor 214
    2009 Fender Strat
    2015 Epi Les Paul Traditionnal

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeTower View Post
    My 2017 SJ200 cost me $2700 which I think is fair when compared to other USA built jumbos out there....
    I've been looking at SJ200s for a while. Just looking, mind you. I'm with ezstrummer in figuring they're out of my price range. That being said, I think you got an excellent deal there!
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    I've played a couple of Gibson Western Classics that I really liked. Little more understated in looks but pretty nice sound.

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