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    F40 Valencia questions , Al ?

    K Iím lazy today so Iím asking instead of researching it so Al whatícha know ? Lol

    I donít much about this model other then my CV-1 which is kind of one or is one ?

    So New Hampshire made them and I think they Adirondack tops hog back and sides now are the all that way or did the ever make a Rosewood model ?

    Also do all the models over the years share the same build specs as far as dimensions ?

    Thanks 😁
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    K I’m lazy today so I’m asking instead of researching it so Al what’cha know ? Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    I don’t much about this model other then my CV-1 which is kind of one or is one ?
    I have a Tacoma price list at home ('08, I think) that specifically states it's based on the F40 body so I for one consider them to be in the F40 family or "derivatives" as I say for short.
    16" lower bout F-body.
    They don't get enough respect and yet it's one of Guild's most enduring and flexible designs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    So New Hampshire made them
    New Hampshire you say?
    Hardly.




    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    and I think they Adirondack tops hog back and sides now are the all that way or did the ever make a Rosewood model ?
    Tacoma actually offered the 'hog body/adi top formula first.
    The NH regular production were 'hog sides/Adi tops.
    The GSR version was Cocobolo sides/Englemann top. Closest you could get to rosewood out of NH, IIRC.
    Sa-a-a-y...Didn't you have an F47 Koa for a while? I consider that to be F40 family too.
    Original "Valencia" from early '50's was maple archback/ sitka top and was replaced by F47 ca '64 (?). (I researched it recently for "F40 Lovers Unite" but have forgotten already.)
    F47's were 'hog bodied.
    IN '84 George Gruhn "remodeled" ("re-defined"?) the Guild 16" lower bout F body and gave us F44, followed by the first rosewood F40 derivative I know of, the F46.
    In '87 price list the GF series appears which offer all 3 tonewoods and 2 of 'em with choice of arch or flatback, but I think the GF50/GF60r was flatback only.


    Late '80's begat the "Fxxce 's ", such as the F45ce Acornhouse recently acquired and which were quickly followed by a host of wood combos/body depths based on F47's, and which also begat the F47Rce.
    Guild said this about those:
    "The F-Series acoustic-electrics are unmistakably Guild. The classic Guild Valencia body shape continues in these modern guitars."
    Let us not forget the GV series as covered in this thread:
    http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sho...ly-I-could-not
    The first time I heard of the Valencia was in the '97 Guild Gallery when they introduced a Nashville Custom Shop model of it.
    http://www.westerlyguildguitars.com/.../valencia.html :

    Flatback maple/AAA sitka top:


    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    Also do all the models over the years share the same build specs as far as dimensions ?
    The earliest ones had a slight difference in radius of bouts compared to later ones but not sure when that actually started.
    THE Gruhn era GF50 outline was littler more "voluptuous", compared to black '97 Valencia above:

    16" lower bout F-body is the definition of the F40 and that never changed.
    Except for some variation in depth between models and years ranging from about 4-1/2" to 5" with the F65ce being the extreme outlier at 3-1/2" deep, they would all fit in the same case that came with a 1959 F40 Valencia.
    F65ce actually got it own case.
    With 5 (count 'em 5) latches.
    All photos courtesy westerlyguildguitars.com



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    Thanks Al , yes I have the F47GSR but it does not carry the same feel my CV-1 has .

    I bought it as a investment and will be putting it up for sale Iím not really a collector type . I have more a play it or sell it attitude . 😁

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeTower View Post
    Al, glad to see a fellow Stanley Kubrick groupie here on LTG



    You and me against the godless masses, eh, Clydetower?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    Thanks Al , yes I have the F47GSR but it does not carry the same feel my CV-1 has .

    I bought it as a investment and will be putting it up for sale I’m not really a collector type . I have more a play it or sell it attitude . ��
    Couldn't remember if you'd already sold it or not but I did recall you mentioning it wasn't on your keeper list.
    Kind of surprising to me, but you got very particular ears..when you say "feel", do you mean literally, like the neck feel, or more figuratively like the sound difference.
    I'm thinking of that neckblock/spider system that was supposed to make tops ring more on the Contemporaries.

    Last edited by adorshki; 02-13-2018 at 05:06 PM.
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    "Time May Change the Technique of Music But Never Its Mission " - Rachmaninoff
    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    You and me against the godless masses, eh, Clydetower?

    Yep. Most of em don't take a dump without a plan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post


    You and me against the godless masses, eh, Clydetower?



    Couldn't remember if you'd already sold it or not but I did recall you mentioning it wasn't on your keeper list.
    Kind of surprising to me, but you got very particular ears..when you say "feel", do you mean literally, like the neck feel, or more figuratively like the sound difference.
    I'm thinking of that neckblock/spider system that was supposed to make tops ring more on the Contemporaries.

    Let me get back to you I have to pull it out and see but it could mostly be the Koa just not sounding right to what my ears want right now .lol

    Dong get me work otherwise itís a wonderful guitar for sure .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post

    Dong get me work otherwise itís a wonderful guitar for sure .


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    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    The shape of the maple Westerly F-40 released in '73 is different from those shown above.

    My personal favorite since the '70s!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobouz View Post
    The shape of the maple Westerly F-40 released in '73 is different from those shown above.

    My personal favorite since the '70s!
    Wouldn't it be same shape as Rampix's posted over in the "F40 Lovers In Unite" thread?:



    Still kinda flat on bottom but a little rounder in the curves, especially the upper bout?
    Last edited by adorshki; 02-13-2018 at 10:04 PM.
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    "Time May Change the Technique of Music But Never Its Mission " - Rachmaninoff
    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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