New D-240E Flamed Mahogany Limited Edition model

SFIV1967 · Dec 27, 2017

Product News
Guild Dreadnought, Now Available with Flamed Mahogany for Limited Time

12/20/2017

Santa Monica, CA – This winter, Guild is expanding upon its best-selling 200 Series with the D-240E FM. This new limited edition model features the same full-bodied and powerful tone of the D-240E, but with exotic flamed mahogany back and sides and a solid spruce top for a premium look, meaty tone and dynamic response.
The dreadnought shape provides guitarists with a classic acoustic sound and balanced voicing, and Guild’s historic archback design offers improved bass response and projection. The D-240E FM is a complete package as it features Guild’s AP-1 preamp system with soundhole mounted controls and a deluxe padded Guild gig bag.

D-240E Flamed Mahogany – $449.99 Street • $625 MSRP

The guitar belongs to the "Westerly Collection".

Source: https://www.guitarinteractivemagazi...ilable-with-flamed-mahogany-for-limited-time/

Ralf

D30Man · Dec 27, 2017

A popular series for sure and priced very well. Dig the flamed hog. I have a buddy who has an M-240 as his traveler and he loves his.
Anyone here have a 200 series WC guitar? If so what do they think?

SFIV1967 · Dec 27, 2017

D30Man said:
Anyone here have a 200 series WC guitar? If so what do they think?

"The MusicRadar/Total Guitar Best in guitars 2017 polls have received over 136,000 votes, and we're now ready to roll out the winners. The nominees were what we considered to be the guitarists and guitar gear that have excelled in 2017. Here, we present the best new acoustic guitars of 2017. First up we have the Guild M-240E Troubadour...
We say: “A versatile electro with enough clout to hold its own on stage.”"

http://www.musicradar.com/news/the-5-best-new-acoustic-guitars-in-the-world-right-now

Ralf

chazmo · Dec 27, 2017

Hey, one of our members has a prototype of one of these. I think he said he didn't know how he got it. That actually looks like the back of his!

By the way, I was almost certain that his was maple. This ad says flamed mahogany, but I'm dubious. The grain looked nothing like mahogany.

chazmo · Dec 27, 2017

Ah, here it is, from user F30. http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sh...is-over-M-20&p=1785525&viewfull=1#post1785525

This is an OM-240E (not a D)..

You guys gonna' tell me this is mahogany? Seriously?

merlin6666 · Dec 27, 2017

chazmo said:
Hey, one of our members has a prototype of one of these. I think he said he didn't know how he got it. That actually looks like the back of his!

By the way, I was almost certain that his was maple. This ad says flamed mahogany, but I'm dubious. The grain looked nothing like mahogany.

So can someone educate me about this "flamed mahogany" thing? For me Mahogany is supposed to be fine textured without much figures, stripes, flames etc. Obviously, this model has a laminated back so it's all looks for people who like this (and yeah I love flamed and figured MAPLE), but for solid woods does this still represent selection of higher quality? Or is this a feature of one of the African mahogany subspecies and/or just a term for a cheaper cut of any mahogany?

walrus · Dec 27, 2017

merlin, you are asking the questions I also have! I love the look of that, but isn't "flamed mahogany" an oxymoron?

walrus

adorshki · Dec 27, 2017

chazmo said:
You guys gonna' tell me this is mahogany? Seriously?

Yep.
That is, assuming they're not already playing fast'n'loose with their own numbering system:
http://guildguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/guild-acoustic-naming-structure.pdf

"OM"= orchestra body (D=dreadnought)
"2" = solid top/arched back import, and....
"40" = mahogany body/spruce top.

We did discuss that unusual OM240 before, but I'd forgotten about it until this thread came up with the 'dread showing the same wood.
Guild's site notes "African mahogany" so it's a certainty it's not a "true" (genus Swietenia) mahogany, though.

Cougar · Dec 28, 2017

SFIV1967 said:
D-240E Flamed Mahogany – $449.99 Street • $625 MSRP

That looks like a really nice import at a seriously ridiculous low price!

adorshki · Dec 28, 2017

merlin6666 said:
So can someone educate me about this "flamed mahogany" thing? For me Mahogany is supposed to be fine textured without much figures, stripes, flames etc. Obviously, this model has a laminated back so it's all looks for people who like this (and yeah I love flamed and figured MAPLE), but for solid woods does this still represent selection of higher quality? Or is this a feature of one of the African mahogany subspecies and/or just a term for a cheaper cut of any mahogany?

To tell you the truth I suspected it had to be a non-Swietenia myself but according to this site it's not uncommon even in genuine mahogany.
https://www.cookwoods.com/flame-mahogany

My suspicion is that probably due to price it was simply rarely used in volume production instruments and maybe even incorrectly identiified by laymen when used in furniture:

In fact there's several examples of highly figured slabs for sale on that site.
What I'm wondering is if this is in fact Honduran or African, Guild's site only says "mahogany" for the OM240e.
I'd think the CITES certifications for getting it into and then back out of China would be a little onerous, and suspect it really is one of the unregulated African species.
Sapele'd be a good candidate:

F30 · Dec 28, 2017

My OM 240E is supposedly Flamed mahogany from the guy I bought it from but is sure looks like Flamed Maple up close. It was lighter but has aged nicely.

Doesn't really matter to me what you call it. It looks interesting and I love the guitar regardless.

I've got my eyes on the Junior Jumbo Bass which has quite spectacular looking back and sides.

This is listed as Flamed Maple though..........

adorshki · Dec 28, 2017

F30 said:
My OM 240E is supposedly Flamed mahogany from the guy I bought it from but is sure looks like Flamed Maple up close. It was lighter but has aged nicely.

Does really matter to me what you call it. It looks interesting and I love the guitar regardless.

Had to go back and find your original post for that guitar:
http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?192688-Happy-Days!!!

Back then I thought it was maple too, but now I think they simply got offered some spectacular-looking wood at a price they couldn't pass up and used it this way (book-matched) to highlight the figuring.
Maybe the lumber was an awkward size for most traditional uses so was priced accordingly?
Being laminated I don't really care where it actually came from either, as long as it's properly ID'd.

chazmo · Dec 28, 2017

Al, I'm just not convinced that this is mahogany (of any sort). I posted a picture to F30's OM-240E earlier in this thread, and if this isn't maple I'll eat my hat.

I know mahogany can have grain. I've seen spectacular quilting. But the grain is all wrong here on F30s axe. I'm feeling the same way about the D-240.

Anyway, neither here nor there anyway since it's a laminated product, but I think Guild described it wrong. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Rayk · Dec 28, 2017

chazmo said:
Al, I'm just not convinced that this is mahogany (of any sort). I posted a picture to F30's OM-240E earlier in this thread, and if this isn't maple I'll eat my hat.

I know mahogany can have grain. I've seen spectacular quilting. But the grain is all wrong here on F30s axe. I'm feeling the same way about the D-240.

Anyway, neither here nor there anyway since it's a laminated product, but I think Guild described it wrong. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

And then we have this , if the link works
https://www.google.com/search?q=qui...-XHsWh_Qa6yYXQDQ#dlnr=1&imgrc=_wlS-8y873WPOM:

On images go 7 pics over the rectangle board standing up

adorshki · Dec 28, 2017

chazmo said:
but I think Guild described it wrong. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Wow I feel like we're the same guy in 2 different bodies.
But I don't think they made the same mistake on 2 different models, and I think it's sapele, one of the "African Mahoganys":

Pomelle%20Sapelle%20body%20002%20crop.jpg

Rayk · Dec 28, 2017

For fun we can read this again , What ? No it had nothing to do with the figuring of the wood

http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/mahogany-mixups-the-lowdown/

adorshki · Dec 28, 2017

I've never done this before, but I changed my mind.
I think it's Cuban Mahogany and CITES be damned:

adorshki · Dec 28, 2017

I changed my mind again.
It's figured eucalyptus, deodorized:

b1c0b89afc558383fad5de80ee129b09--wood-types-cali-style.jpg

Rich Cohen · Dec 29, 2017

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fronobulax · Dec 29, 2017

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