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    Last Hoboken Flat Top?

    With my F20 numbered AG 3036, I wondered why a 1970 model would have a Hoboken label inside when Westerly came on line a few years earlier. I know this is the laziest way to learn about this but when did the last acoustic roll out of NJ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedzep View Post
    With my F20 numbered AG 3036, I wondered why a 1970 model would have a Hoboken label inside when Westerly came on line a few years earlier. I know this is the laziest way to learn about this but when did the last acoustic roll out of NJ?
    Hans' book says all production had moved to Westerly "by 1969", but I seem to recall reading about 12ers still being built there in that year? (not sure)
    Anyway, the real answer to the question is that yes Westerly did use Hoboken labels for a while even into 1970.
    I'm guessing because of Al Dronge's reported refusal to ever let usable parts go to waste, no joke intended.
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    Yeah, the very last Hoboken build would probably have great vintage value, but whoever owns that guitar probably wouldn't know it.

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    It's compounded by the fact that the labels Guild used were not clear.

    Hans is the only one (possibly) I know who could possibly identify what the last Hoboken guitar was.
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    unofficial opinion only but it appears to me that 1967 was the last big push in Hoboken, although the very very last guitar ever buit there could have been several years later. repairs also continued in Hoboken for some time.

    I believe there are serial numbers that go as far back as 1966 and are without any question whatsoever automatically considered Hobokens, that may have been -completed- as late as 1970, in Westerly. (i mostly refer to electrics in this regard)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedzep View Post
    Yeah, the very last Hoboken build would probably have great vintage value, but whoever owns that guitar probably wouldn't know it.
    Yes, given that both plants were up at the same time for a year at least and headquarters were in yet a 3rd location ("Elizabeth"), I can see it's possible that over the years the records of what happened where might well have been lost if not discarded outright.
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    It's a "Westerboken!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by jedzep View Post
    Yeah, the very last Hoboken build would probably have great vintage value, but whoever owns that guitar probably wouldn't know it.
    Well, then I must own it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreadnut View Post
    It's a "Westerboken!"
    Possibly "Hobokerly"......?
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