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    Headstock/neck ID question...

    I know I should be more astute about this stuff, but then again, that's why you geniuses are here.

    I assumed the neck attached to my '69 F20 was a transplant based on the head stock shape, and then I saw this Ebay listing. Same head shape on mine. I can't include a photo since I dumped Photobucket.

    Is there a delineating aspect or timeline to this shape and logo?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-GUILD-...UAAOSwmo5Z1Al7

    Wish I had some geetar money!
    Last edited by jedzep; 11-10-2017 at 10:38 PM.

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    According to Hans Moust's Guild Guitar Book, the "center-raised," "domed," or "paddle" headstock shape (as opposed to the earlier "open book, or "lips" headstock and the later "snakehead" headstock) was found on most Guilds after 1964 (the snakehead was introduced ~1987). The Chesterfield logo appeared around 1957... the lined version persisted into the early 70s. Get a copy of Hans' book... it's a great resource!

    A "center raised headstock" from 1971
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    SO, the OPs headstock could very well be the factory correct one.
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    Seems plausible... but without pics hard for me to say. First question I would ask is "Does the headstock SN match that on the label?" (assuming there is a label)
    Dave

    '72 D-35 (Jan '73)
    '81 D-46NT (Oct '07)
    '94 DV-72NT (turquoise; Jan '16)
    '94 DV-72NT MK (malachite; Oct '14)
    '95 DV-73 NT HG (Aug '12)
    Gone but not forgotten
    '71 D-44NT (2008-2015)
    '74 G-37Bld (2006-2015)
    '74 D-25M (2006-2015)
    '76 D-50NT (2009-2016)
    '78 D-35 (1986-2007)
    '92 D-55 (2007-2014)


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    No headstock SN, label AG 3036.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedzep View Post
    No headstock SN, label AG 3036.
    I don't think yours is the first 60s era Guild I have heard of w/o a headstock SN... but can't put my finger on where I have heard of it before. If you're curious and haven't done so already, I would suggest contacting/sending pics to LTg member Hans Moust. I would guess that he would be able to tell you more about your F-30 (and then share with the rest of us!)...
    Dave

    '72 D-35 (Jan '73)
    '81 D-46NT (Oct '07)
    '94 DV-72NT (turquoise; Jan '16)
    '94 DV-72NT MK (malachite; Oct '14)
    '95 DV-73 NT HG (Aug '12)
    Gone but not forgotten
    '71 D-44NT (2008-2015)
    '74 G-37Bld (2006-2015)
    '74 D-25M (2006-2015)
    '76 D-50NT (2009-2016)
    '78 D-35 (1986-2007)
    '92 D-55 (2007-2014)


    All my Guilds, past and present (pics)...
    My Soundclick! page...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedzep View Post
    I know I should be more astute about this stuff, but then again, that's why you geniuses are here.

    I assumed the neck attached to my '69 F20 was a transplant based on the head stock shape, and then I saw this Ebay listing. Same head shape on mine. I can't include a photo since I dumped Photobucket.

    Is there a delineating aspect or timeline to this shape and logo?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-GUILD-...UAAOSwmo5Z1Al7

    Wish I had some geetar money!
    the F-30 in the ebay add is 1966.

    your F-20, AG 3036, is 1970. is the headstock faceplate overlay black, walnut/mahogany, or rosewood? is the Guild logo yellow, abalone/pearly, or black? does it have a chesterfield?

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    no # on the back of the headstock is period correct for the M-20 during this merky mystical time in the Guild factory. One of those necks on a final "AG" F-20 from the same year, does not sound so crazy. 95-99 percent confidence, the neck is original.

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    Black faceplate with pearly Guild inlay but no Chesterfield. Thanks! Working on joining photo share site suitable for dummies. Thought I could directly upload from my Windows 10 pic gallery but guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedzep View Post
    Black faceplate with pearly Guild inlay but no Chesterfield. Thanks! Working on joining photo share site suitable for dummies. Thought I could directly upload from my Windows 10 pic gallery but guess not.
    yeah, that does not make a ton of sense for F-20 at AG-3036, but would match the leftover M-20 neck theory well enough, especially at AG-3036-on the label only (as an F-20 at the finish line), would be my absurd logic...

    can u please measure the depth of the body at its deepest point? (not including bridge, or strings etc)? should be between 3.75 and 4.25 inches. my guess is it is closer to 3.75, and yours was an M-20 with out a top, not an F-20 without a neck. That is also pretty late numbering for 1970 F-20, definitely could be a leftover parts creation. please tell me the back is maple?!?!

    also i pmed u re: pics
    Last edited by mavuser; 11-11-2017 at 06:06 PM.

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