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    Tonal diffences F30 standard/F30 Aragon

    Interested in the tonal differences between the F30 standard and F30 Argon .

    So ya all know I just returned the NH f30 standard stika top hog B&S

    It had a crisp sound , great tonal range defined and detailed , great note separation . So maybe the norm for these guitars or was the wood which was why I bought it lol

    The F30 Argon has the Adirondack top hog B&S

    The F 30 has the 1 3/4 nut ? Vrs the 1 11/16 on the Argon .
    Argon has 3pc neck the standard is one pc .

    I think the rest of it is the same maybe tuner difference but were on the tone thing here lol

    Yeah so is there a bracing difference along with scallop differences? Or are the same in both models ?

    Thanks ;)
    Last edited by Rayk; 11-10-2017 at 01:55 PM.

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    I don't think they would fit into the same Sonic Safe Space without competing with each other for 3rd or 6th place but it is November after all so who knows? Just kidding man. The Aragon was part of the traditional series IIRC which means it should have Tortoise binding and a Solid Ebony Wood headstock faceplate with the Chesterfield inlay as well if it is a New Hartford model.

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    Says 2010 has Mr Chester pick gaurd and binding as you say , best I can see . Head cap looks rosewood . Its on Reverb under F 30 the Sunburst one .
    Not cheap lol
    I just wonder how it would sound compared to the f30 standard . Having the Aldi I jump to the conclusion it would have a little brighter , tighter tone .
    Now you heard the NH F30s or heard tail about there sustain and such as we lightly discussed lol
    So whats the Argon like ? Lol

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    New Hartford F-30 Standard vs. New Hartford F-30 Traditional Aragon, right?

    Mrs. Fro. spent some time doing an A/B at a "petting zoo" at the factory. The nut widths are different, which wasn't a big deal for her, and the binding and pickguard(?) were and she did have a preference for the tortoiseshell. There was the satin finish difference, as well. She was not looking at construction so would not have noticed bracing or neck construction differences. The Guild employees in public and private conversation stressed the similarities between the Standard and Traditional. Nut width, neck construction and satin finish were the things they emphasized but the neck differences were supposed to be only noticeable to the builder, not the player. She could not discern a sonic difference although that was not what she was focused on while playing. The various LTG members who assisted in the comparison did not remark on the sonic differences, if my memory is correct. So one hypothesis is that there is no significant tonal difference. But another hypothesis is that the difference was not noticeable given the skill level of the players and the background noise and other sonic qualities of the "petting zoo".

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    I had always thought that "Aragon" was simply the name that Guild directed at the F-30's from the 50's and 60's. I'd assumed that some of the variations between guitars that you see....3 pc. neck vs. 1 pc....top species....and other differing bits had more to do with the era and/or factory in which a particular guitar was produced....not the difference between an "aragon f-30" or an "f-30 nt". Any web seller could post 'Aragon' or simply 'F-30' for any era F-30....I never pay much attention. Look at the guitar specs. Certainly among the older F-30's I would expect more unexpected variations in scale, nut width, and particularly neck shape characteristics.

    Rayk...if I were you: rather than seeking aragon vs. std. vs. nt. vs. r etc......I'd figure out what type of neck, nut width, scale length, top species, era etc. that you are seeking in an F30....then direct your efforts towards finding an F-30 that meets the most of your specific list of desirable traits. This can be really difficult buying via the internet sight unseen (as you unfortunately already found)....but a lot of Guild guys here can likely direct you toward making a 'smart' decision...allowing you to better play the odds that a sight unseen guitar will meet your specific requirements. Your best shot at success is to (at least) determine a few of your 'must have' features...and stick to them.

    Myself....particularly when I have a bad case of GAS...can find myself purchasing a guitar that has characteristics that differ from those very traits that I was seeking in a guitar in the first place. After the GAS subsides and with new guitar in hand....I often find myself still seeking another guitar with the characteristics that I had originally set out to find. Patience is difficult in the midst of a GAS attack.....but can really pay off in the form of ownership of a guitar that is truly 'yours'.

    I bought that 1974 Guild F-30NT yesterday. I'll post more after I spend a little bit of time with it. My first reaction to this guitar (obviously...I bought it) is extremely positive. I went with the money in my pocket, however, I really was not GAS'ing for the guitar and was nearly certain that I would not actually buy it. After sitting with the guitar for a few minutes....I didn't even attempt to negotiate the price down. I plan to post more about the guitar after I can spend a bit more time with it....and yes I will post photos so that we all know that this actually happened :)

    Guild is an interesting and quirky guitar manufacturer....likely a big part of why I'm drawn to them. I have found particularly among vintage Guilds (Westerly and prior)...any given guitar may not be exactly what you'd expected. Just when you think you know what the characteristics of a 'Westerly' or 'Hoboken' F-30 is....you find one that defies your expectations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitarkus View Post
    I had always thought that "Aragon" was simply the name that Guild directed at the F-30's from the 50's and 60's. I'd assumed that some of the variations between guitars that you see....3 pc. neck vs. 1 pc....top species....and other differing bits had more to do with the era and/or factory in which a particular guitar was produced....not the difference between an "aragon f-30" or an "f-30 nt". Any web seller could post 'Aragon' or simply 'F-30' for any era F-30....I never pay much attention. Look at the guitar specs. Certainly among the older F-30's I would expect more unexpected variations in scale, nut width, and particularly neck shape characteristics.

    Rayk...if I were you: rather than seeking aragon vs. std. vs. nt. vs. r etc......I'd figure out what type of neck, nut width, scale length, top species, era etc. that you are seeking in an F30....then direct your efforts towards finding an F-30 that meets the most of your specific list of desirable traits. This can be really difficult buying via the internet sight unseen (as you unfortunately already found)....but a lot of Guild guys here can likely direct you toward making a 'smart' decision...allowing you to better play the odds that a sight unseen guitar will meet your specific requirements. Your best shot at success is to (at least) determine a few of your 'must have' features...and stick to them.

    Myself....particularly when I have a bad case of GAS...can find myself purchasing a guitar that has characteristics that differ from those very traits that I was seeking in a guitar in the first place. After the GAS subsides and with new guitar in hand....I often find myself still seeking another guitar with the characteristics that I had originally set out to find. Patience is difficult in the midst of a GAS attack.....but can really pay off in the form of ownership of a guitar that is truly 'yours'.

    I bought that 1974 Guild F-30NT yesterday. I'll post more after I spend a little bit of time with it. My first reaction to this guitar (obviously...I bought it) is extremely positive. I went with the money in my pocket, however, I really was not GAS'ing for the guitar and was nearly certain that I would not actually buy it. After sitting with the guitar for a few minutes....I didn't even attempt to negotiate the price down. I plan to post more about the guitar after I can spend a bit more time with it....and yes I will post photos so that we all know that this actually happened :)

    Guild is an interesting and quirky guitar manufacturer....likely a big part of why I'm drawn to them. I have found particularly among vintage Guilds (Westerly and prior)...any given guitar may not be exactly what you'd expected. Just when you think you know what the characteristics of a 'Westerly' or 'Hoboken' F-30 is....you find one that defies your expectations.
    No expectations , I like verity ! well wait me wants good tone from any configuration. Lol

    Necks , nut and scales no big deal Ill stay away from 12 fret .

    Big body long scale and 1 11/16ths nut may cause some discomfort depending on string spacing .
    Otherwise Im good on the rest .

    I like Adirondack tops only have one in my Blueridge dread .

    I have rosewood B&S Guitars so Im liking a hog one or two this time .

    Still looking for that NH F50R Sunburst lol

    Good advice though :)

    Id like to hear that 74 F30

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    The NH F30 Standard also has a slightly wider 2 5/32" string spacing at the bridge. This along with the 1 3/4" nut gives you a little more breathing room for fingerstyle.

    Tommy

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommym View Post
    The NH F30 Standard also has a slightly wider 2 5/32" string spacing at the bridge. This along with the 1 3/4" nut gives you a little more breathing room for fingerstyle.

    Tommy
    Yeah , I liked that f30 I sent back felt pretty good all around .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    Yeah , I liked that f30 I sent back felt pretty good all around .
    Man those F30 Standards are really hard to beat for tone and price. I feel if Fender and New Hartford would have marketed that Standard line in a more visible way that they would have been taking over the Acoustic market.

    TX
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    Hoboken-1960 X175, 1961 SF-II
    Westerly-1971 F612, 1976 G41, 2000 SF-V, 1984 S284, 1993 JF100-NT-CRV
    Nashville C.S. SFIV-3 P90 w/Trem
    Corona-2003 Fleming F47-Brz RW, 2003 D55 50th Ann. Brz RW#10 of 50, 2003 X160 R.B., 2003 SF-III-90
    Conn-2011 GSR D50 Coco, 2013 R30S, 2013 Orph 12 Fret Slope, 2013 Orph Jumbo, 2014 Orph Burst 000-12 Fret 12 String S.H. RW, 2012 F50-DTAR, 2012 F50R Burst, 2012 F50R DTAR, 2013 F512 Burst, 2014 F512-DTAR, 2014 D55-RS

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    Quote Originally Posted by txbumper57 View Post
    Man those F30 Standards are really hard to beat for tone and price. I feel if Fender and New Hartford would have marketed that Standard line in a more visible way that they would have been taking over the Acoustic market.

    TX
    Amen brother Tex :)

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