Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 31 to 36 of 36

Thread: D4 code question

  1. #31
    Senior Member adorshki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Sillycon Valley CA
    Posts
    20,279
    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    Do they get check lines ?
    Actually that's a great question.
    I don't recall ever hearing of checking on an HR and it might be due to the application process?
    Maybe rubbing it on creates a different finish density than spraying several coats of lacquer, one that's more resistant to the normal cause of checking, thermal or stress shock?
    Al
    "Time May Change the Technique of Music But Never Its Mission " - Rachmaninoff
    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

  2. #32
    Senior Member gjmalcyon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Gloucester County, NJ
    Posts
    1,088
    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    Actually that's a great question.
    I don't recall ever hearing of checking on an HR and it might be due to the application process?
    Maybe rubbing it on creates a different finish density than spraying several coats of lacquer, one that's more resistant to the normal cause of checking, thermal or stress shock?
    Maybe a better physical bond with the wood so that they move as a unit in response to stress? Maybe thinner, too? I know the finish on my Tacoma-build DV-6 (hand-rubbed satin gel) "feels" thin.
    '69 Yamaha FG-110 (mom & dad)
    '08 DV-6 (8th Street Music)
    '72 F-212XL (ex-idealassets - now with a nephew)
    '83 D-35 (ex-Walking Man, ex-Qvart)
    '92 JF4-12 (ex-grumpyguybill)
    '07 F-47R (ex-mikemo6string)
    '74 G-37 (ex-Gardman, ex-Neal)
    '94 D-6 (CL find)
    '61 F-40B (ex-Walking Man)
    GAD F-130R NAT (ex-Killdeer43, ex-Jeffcoop,)
    GAD-30 NAT (ex-Killdeer43, ex-Geoguy - now with a different nephew)
    GAD D125-12 (ex-BoneDigger)
    NS SFIV-ST (ex-BoneDigger)
    '99 DeArmond M-75 (why not?)

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by gjmalcyon View Post
    Maybe a better physical bond with the wood so that they move as a unit in response to stress? Maybe thinner, too? I know the finish on my Tacoma-build DV-6 (hand-rubbed satin gel) "feels" thin.
    Interesting , from that chip on my cv-1 headstock the finish is pretty thick though the boby has some checks thereís no chips , yet lol hmmm .

    I get my HR today maybe noonish Iíll report on that from the pics best I can tell itís not a thick coat from its looks .

  4. #34
    Senior Member adorshki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Sillycon Valley CA
    Posts
    20,279
    Quote Originally Posted by gjmalcyon View Post
    Maybe a better physical bond with the wood so that they move as a unit in response to stress? Maybe thinner, too? I know the finish on my Tacoma-build DV-6 (hand-rubbed satin gel) "feels" thin.
    Yeah if it's thinner it's able to "stretch" a little more easily if it's exposed to "twisting torque" like pressure on the top or heat expansion of the wood.
    And maybe working it into the grain by the rubbing instead of it just "sitting" on top from being sprayed.
    Anyway, I'm still positive D4's were all NCL whether gloss or HR.
    Let's not forget they put "HR" on DV-52's and DV-6's in Westerly, too, and I'm absolutely positive those were NC gel.
    Doesn't seem to make sense to start using poly on one model only.
    Another "tell" is that the HR finishes start to buff up to near-gloss or even actual gloss in areas of lots of contact like a shirtsleeve against a lower bout, poly simply won't do that, it would retain its original catalyzed surface texture. Once it 's done it's done forever.
    AZ, are there any "shiny spots" on the D4-12?
    That'll tell you what it really is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rayk View Post
    Interesting , from that chip on my cv-1 headstock the finish is pretty thick though the boby has some checks there’s no chips , yet lol hmmm .

    I get my HR today maybe noonish I’ll report on that from the pics best I can tell it’s not a thick coat from its looks .
    Yeah my Corona D40's pretty darn thick too, but interestingly it's the smoothest and glossiest of all 3.
    It's the one thing I always said about it early on, best finish of the bunch, although I used to wonder if it was part of the reason it was a sonic runt as a baby.
    It's only just starting to show some of the grain texture underneath the original smoothness, since it spends all of it's non-playing time in the case.
    Last edited by adorshki; 11-21-2017 at 07:09 PM.
    Al
    "Time May Change the Technique of Music But Never Its Mission " - Rachmaninoff
    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

  5. #35
    Senior Member adorshki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Sillycon Valley CA
    Posts
    20,279
    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    Anyway, I'm still positive D4's were all NCL whether gloss or HR.
    Let's not forget they put "HR" on DV-52's and DV-6's in Westerly, too, and I'm absolutely positive those were NC gel.
    Doesn't seem to make sense to start using poly on one model only.
    Another "tell" is that the HR finishes start to buff up to near-gloss or even actual gloss in areas of lots of contact like a shirtsleeve against a lower bout, poly simply won't do that, it would retain its original catalyzed surface texture. Once it 's done it's done forever.
    AZ, are there any "shiny spots" on the D4-12?
    That'll tell you what it really is.
    Ok after all that, for the sake of balance, I just remembered something else about D4's:
    They did a LOT of oddball finishes on those over the years, like it was their test bed model for that stuff, or something they did to increase their appeal as entry-level models..
    Anybody remember those odd red and green bursts with the matching pickguards, and the blue and gray bursts, and even a sparkle finish, as well as some genuine 'hog-topped samples?
    So I'm now willing to concede that if they did ever try poly on a true flat-top in Westerly, the D4 seems like it would've been the likely candidate.
    And I've learned never to say never when it comes to Guild, right?
    Al
    "Time May Change the Technique of Music But Never Its Mission " - Rachmaninoff
    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    AZ, are there any "shiny spots" on the D4-12?
    That'll tell you what it really is.
    .
    No, but even UV cured poly finishes like Taylor and Larrivee use will develop shiny spots over time.




Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •