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    Quote Originally Posted by PittPastor View Post
    Doesn't it seem to you that this is saying: "You're looking at this all wrong, price doesn't matter... all that matters is the sound."
    With apologies to Matthew who recorded the following, which was not about Guilds

    When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it
    If you can apply that to guitars then it boils down to sometimes price does not matter.

    I think there is some discussion at cross purposes here - specifically using value and affordability as if they are the same for everyone. Similarly market value and value to an individual are being confused.

    If I buy something then its value to me, the individual, is greater than or equal to what I paid.

    If something is of great value to me then I will do whatever I can to acquire it. Sell everything else, get a second job, indenture myself to the seller, etc.

    This is the kind of thinking behind some of the comments.

    If, as an alternative, a guitar is a tool or commodity then, almost be definition, it will never be "of great value" in the sense above. In that case affordability and bang for the buck are the important concepts.

    Finally there is the personality factor - some folks are going to find the One Guitar, buy it and be happy with it for the rest of their life. Others are going to find The Guitar, buy it and 12 months later be looking for the next one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post
    With apologies to Matthew who recorded the following, which was not about Guilds. If you can apply that to guitars then it boils down to sometimes price does not matter.
    Well, Matthew was quoting someone else... and what they were talking about I get. I can't see it with guitars.

    If others can, that's cool. I'm not saying everyone has to think like I do. I'm just saying in my world, guitars aren't anywhere near that. All I said at the beginning of this thread -- until now -- is I think the pricing of new Guilds are too high. If others want to buy them, it won't bother me any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davismanLV View Post
    Now I'll stop because chazmo said for us to move on, and he summed up the tone of the thread nicely. So I'm moving on, because at this particular point in my life, that's all I can afford to do.
    Could we review why CA won't let Oxnard spray NCL first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    Could we review why CA won't let Oxnard spray NCL first?

    Because of air pollution laws that don't permit the emission of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs). While it may seem related, it isn't about greenhouse gasses/climate change/global warming/whatever it is being called now. It actually predates all of that, and it has to do with smog prevention. NCL's solvents are VOCs, as NCL won't dissolve in anything else. There are variations on NCL in terms of solvents, but they all emit VOCs of one type or another. From what I understand, you can get a permit to spray NCL, it does take some effort to make sure that the VOCs are captured and not released into the atmosphere. As soon as you can prove that, you can get a permit. This is my understanding, but I could be wrong on some of this.

    There is a follow on effect, in that the supply of NCL is being reduced (due to low demand). There used to be multiple suppliers of NCL, but one of the last two (Behlens and McFadden) is no longer available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kostask View Post
    Because of air pollution laws that don't permit the emission of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs).
    Kostas it was a deadpan joke because I just had to refute that myth again this morning (that Oxnard can't spray NCL)


    Quote Originally Posted by kostask View Post
    While it may seem related, it isn't about greenhouse gasses/climate change/global warming/whatever it is being called now. It actually predates all of that, and it has to do with smog prevention.
    Bingo yes indeed VOCs reacted with UV and nitrous oxides to form photochemical smog, also known as "brown smog".
    Of particular concern was the effect on blond California Girls who went from "February White" directly to "sunburn" without exhibiting any any of the aesthetically desirable shades of "tan" in between.
    Quote Originally Posted by kostask View Post
    NCL's solvents are VOCs, as NCL won't dissolve in anything else. There are variations on NCL in terms of solvents, but they all emit VOCs of one type or another. From what I understand, you can get a permit to spray NCL, it does take some effort to make sure that the VOCs are captured and not released into the atmosphere. As soon as you can prove that, you can get a permit. This is my understanding, but I could be wrong on some of this.
    That's my understanding too, the "broad strokes" at least.
    I think your facility needs to be inspected as part of the certification process and that may take a little time.
    But hey last time I needed a code inspection they only needed to come out 3 different times over the course of a month before they figured out the water heater in my apartment building wasn't up to spec.
    (Sorry there's that deadpan delivery again)

    Quote Originally Posted by kostask View Post
    There is a follow on effect, in that the supply of NCL is being reduced (due to low demand). There used to be multiple suppliers of NCL, but one of the last two (Behlens and McFadden) is no longer available.
    Oh that's a new one to me but I suspect if a customer was willing to contract the appropriate volume they could still mix up a batch.
    But could understand if they don't make it for production because CA outlawed retail sale of traditional aerosol cans of the stuff on top of the use-in-manufacturing restrictions.

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    Very overpriced-Guilds used to be a poor man's Martin-no more!!

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    Al,

    Sorry I did no detect the facetiousness of your question.
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    Played a brand new Ox D40 today... was knocked OUT!

    LOUD and PROUD, crisp and clear...holy smokes.
    And felt lighter than I expected it would.
    Tried some other guitars higher and lower... the D40 simply stood out!
    $1499 price tag, well worth what I was hearing.

    I think this Ox D40 might've just blown my NH D40 outta the water, which
    I was not expecting at all.

    Also tried an M20... liked it better than similar Martin on the wall that was 2X the price.
    Not expecting that either.

    But... the D20 I tried (for the second time in a month) was a bit of a disappointment.
    I'm used to playing Westerly D25s, so probably not a fair sonic comparison,
    but it seemed kinda quiet, very little of the feral sonic persona of a good vintage
    Westerly spruce-top D25, not even as interesting as the all-hog D15 I just sold.

    But that D40... wow.

    I'd buy it.

    Maybe I will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonneville88 View Post
    Played a brand new Ox D40 today... was knocked OUT!

    LOUD and PROUD, crisp and clear...holy smokes.
    And felt lighter than I expected it would.
    Tried some other guitars higher and lower... the D40 simply stood out!
    $1499 price tag, well worth what I was hearing.

    I think this Ox D40 might've just blown my NH D40 outta the water, which
    I was not expecting at all.

    Also tried an M20... liked it better than similar Martin on the wall that was 2X the price.
    Not expecting that either.

    But... the D20 I tried (for the second time in a month) was a bit of a disappointment.
    I'm used to playing Westerly D25s, so probably not a fair sonic comparison,
    but it seemed kinda quiet, very little of the feral sonic persona of a good vintage
    Westerly spruce-top D25, not even as interesting as the all-hog D15 I just sold.

    But that D40... wow.

    I'd buy it.

    Maybe I will.
    May the D40 be the norm and not the rarity .

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