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Thread: Incoming 1976 F-412 - question about machine heads

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    -Also if your F412 becomes a "keeper" for you and if the most correct tuners can be determined from the guitar serial number many varieties of the tuners are still available new from the manufacturer, and can be ordered from the various guitar or luthier suppliers. I still have a spare set of standard gold Grover's since I have replaced a number of them on guitars that I repaired.

    However I would never do something that would leave bare screw holes exposed on the back of the headstock. And for that matter in any endeavor whether it be guitar, auto, or antique restoration I felt it was OK to accept a previous owner's modification if it worked out just fine that way.

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    Welcome from all of us! I have a '13 F-412 (New Hartford) and can't get my hands on it enough. The lows, mids and highs are equally resounding and sustaining. Projection into an audience is awesome even without a mike. Sounds like an orchestra, or a choir of angels...as some say.
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    WELCOME TO LTG, and what a fine grand-entry-Guild.
    Enjoy your time here and certainly enjoy your 'new' guitar!

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    Welcome, Epsilon. Enjoy the wow factor that comes with that beautiful F-412.
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  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Epsilon View Post
    I won't actually receive the guitar until Saturday so unable to check to serial number at this time. I've no reason to think that the shop got the date wrong, though I suppose it is possible. I'll check in once it's received! Out of interest, what makes you think it might be older?
    Well, I could be wrong, but I'm used to looking at specs and not so much at serial numbers. Specs can be misleading though, because parts can be replaced. The bridge looks like a replacement, but from the rest of the guitar I would say it's probably more like a 1973-model. It's more like a gut feeling!

    Sincerely,

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    Last edited by hansmoust; 01-04-2017 at 04:29 PM.

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    Update! Guitar just arrived and it has a few surprises.

    Firstly, while advertised as a 1976, the serial number in the 83,000s puts it as a 1973. Exactly as you suggested Hans! Very impressed with your perception there.

    The Grover tuners do not appear to be concealing any holes from previous tuners, and are indeed gold. Possibly originals after all?

    The neck reset could probably have been improved in terms of aesthetic outcome, but the neck joint is super stable with no movement - so no worries there.

    Finally - and again not something that was advertised - I noticed that it came equipped with an input jack where the bottom strap holder would be. Plugged it in and sure enough it has a piezo pickup installed. Probably quite an old one but seems to work fine! This would also explain the dots on the bridge which were presumably drilled for pickup installation.

    On to the important stuff. In terms of sound it is an absolute cannon. After tuning up I played an open chord and my wife just said "wow", which pretty much sums it up. Enormous volume and depth. Obviously very bright given all the maple and pretty much the polar opposite of my cedar/rosewood Breedlove 12 string which has a more balanced, warm and mellow tone. Nice to have different guitars for different occasions of course!

    Playability is excellent, low action and great intonation. The neck is pretty chunky but very comfortable. Overall I can see this guitar being a keeper.

    I'll try and get some pictures uploaded later, but my priority now is to play it!

    Thanks to everyone for the welcome and advice so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epsilon View Post
    Update! ... After tuning up I played an open chord and my wife just said "wow", which pretty much sums it up.
    Congratulations on your acquisition! Though common, it never grows old to hear that 'wow' response to a Guild 12 string. What a great start to the new year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epsilon View Post
    ...After tuning up I played an open chord and my wife just said "wow", which pretty much sums it up....
    Hahahaha!!! They're simply amazing 12-strings. The fun begins!
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  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Epsilon View Post
    .... while advertised as a 1976, the serial number in the 83,000s puts it as a 1973.
    Good! Now it all makes sense again!

    Enjoy the guitar!

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  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Epsilon View Post
    Finally - and again not something that was advertised - I noticed that it came equipped with an input jack where the bottom strap holder would be. Plugged it in and sure enough it has a piezo pickup installed. Probably quite an old one but seems to work fine! This would also explain the dots on the bridge which were presumably drilled for pickup installation.
    The pearl dots on the bridge might be concealing "Hot dot" pickups. I know Guild used them for a while, but don't remember the era... 70s I think. IS there a paper label in the visible soundhole? Does the model number end with an E (designating factory electronics)?
    Dave

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