Fake S-100 keeps getting faker?

[bluesypicky]

we could just wait for Hans to chime in.

This is what I have been quietly waiting for.....
Of all the items pointing to the fact that we are looking at a trashed Guild (per serial number), the 3 piece body is the most enigmatic, no doubt.
Love to hear whether the man has any facts on this to put all the speculations to rest.

[JohnW63]

So, perhaps we have Guild neck and pickups ? Maybe some of the hardware ?

Just how hard would it be to build a body and and PROPERLY install the Guild stuff on it and have a good playing guitar ?

[mavuser]

the neck is a 1971 and has some value if it is clean and had no breaks/repairs. it is one of the last of the 3-line Chesterfields, which is much less common on a Westerly Guild. so if u parted it out, you have the pickups, the tuners, the other hardware/electronics and then the neck would have some value to someone with a nice early 70s S-100 (or whatever else it fits), if it were to just have a nasty broken neck or (3 line Chesterfield) headstock. if u can get it set up to play nice though, id be in no hurry to do that.

[Brynot]

Sorry I had so much trouble posting pictures. Ridiculous considering I'm a photographer and I used to code websites and host them. It's the first time I've been on a message board where I had to go find an image hosting site. I'm still not sure what I'm doing wrong with photobucket.

Anyhow, thanks for everyone's input so far. I hadn't noticed anyone posting until a few minutes ago. Tomorrow, I'll take some much higher quality images with closer detail made to the areas everyone has been suggesting.

My own research has me believing the hb1 is one of the "made by Guild" pickups for another company. Simply because there is no solder point on the rear of the pickup, the wires go under. Perhaps it was rewired as to include 5 wires for the phaser? It appears that the solder posts have been clipped off and moved under the rear plate. I'll show it in a photo tomorrow. Also, no scratched in date, but there is a red smudge.

The wood from the neck looks like it's a match for the wings, but the back cavity is not routed very well. I'll show that also. The wings are joined to the body with tongue and groove. The pots have been replaced, and the knobs are almost close to the positions in a DeArmond. Plus, obviously, the bridge and tailpiece are not Guild S100.

I really don't know if the thing would ever be playable for anything other than slide. I'm no expert, but I have to believe the neck joining the body that low is the culprit.

Alright. Pics tomorrow. Thanks again.

[fronobulax]

Sorry I had so much trouble posting pictures. Ridiculous considering I'm a photographer and I used to code websites and host them. It's the first time I've been on a message board where I had to go find an image hosting site. I'm still not sure what I'm doing wrong with photobucket.

LTG may be the only such site on the internet. The policy is deliberate and rooted in costs and liabilities. If images can be uploaded to and stored at LTG then LTG could be liable for copyright violations or hosting inappropriate content. If images are stored at LTG and someone elsewhere links to them then the bandwidth associated with serving that image comes from what LTG is paying for. A conservative approach to be sure but appropriate for what is essentially a one man operation paid for out of pocket and by donations. In 2017 there may be other ways to protect from those hazards but telling people how to post pictures gives us something to talk about on slow days.

When editing a post you can use Go Advanced and then Preview to confirm that what you have put between the IMG tags is what you want. When I am trying to help out as a Moderator, I keep clicking on the hosting site until I get the image I want displayed there, I then copy the image location (right click in Firefox) and paste it into an "empty" browser address bar as a test. If the resulting display is the image then I pate the same thing between the IMG tabs.

If the control cavity is crude then that reinforces the idea that it is not Guild's body. I wish I could confirm that we have either seen one other three piece body like this or this guitar at some point in the past.

[Brynot]

I get the whole liability thing. I didn't mean this was the first time I ran into this. I meant this was the first time I've had to post pictures that were not hosted by my own personal server. Therefore, grabbing the img URL has always been simple. I couldn't get back to the URL attached to my photos on photobucket. I'll get it straight this time. Okay, back to guitars 😀

[GAD]

Sorry I had so much trouble posting pictures. Ridiculous considering I'm a photographer and I used to code websites and host them. It's the first time I've been on a message board where I had to go find an image hosting site. I'm still not sure what I'm doing wrong with photobucket.

Anyhow, thanks for everyone's input so far. I hadn't noticed anyone posting until a few minutes ago. Tomorrow, I'll take some much higher quality images with closer detail made to the areas everyone has been suggesting.

My own research has me believing the hb1 is one of the "made by Guild" pickups for another company. Simply because there is no solder point on the rear of the pickup, the wires go under. Perhaps it was rewired as to include 5 wires for the phaser? It appears that the solder posts have been clipped off and moved under the rear plate. I'll show it in a photo tomorrow. Also, no scratched in date, but there is a red smudge.

The wood from the neck looks like it's a match for the wings, but the back cavity is not routed very well. I'll show that also. The wings are joined to the body with tongue and groove. The pots have been replaced, and the knobs are almost close to the positions in a DeArmond. Plus, obviously, the bridge and tailpiece are not Guild S100.

I really don't know if the thing would ever be playable for anything other than slide. I'm no expert, but I have to believe the neck joining the body that low is the culprit.

Alright. Pics tomorrow. Thanks again.

Does the pickup have two orange wires, a red, and a black? If so, then it's a late-model HB1 and is completely normal. Here's one from a 1994 Starfire 4:

[Brynot]

Here are some detailed pictures. I tried to include all of the different subjects that everyone brought up. Talk amongst yourselves :)

[fronobulax]

If this is the back of the bass side of the guitar, it looks like the bevel I was looking for is there. \



These pictures make the transition from top to side look more like what I was expecting.

My current hypothesis is that someone had an original S-100, did some work to change the pickups/electronics, botched it and then salvaged what they could by cutting the body in thirds and mating the "wings" and neck to a new slab.

[GAD]

Here are some detailed pictures. I tried to include all of the different subjects that everyone brought up. Talk amongst yourselves :)

Yikes! I think you're right - someone pulled the cover and made it 4-wire.

Note also that this is one of those "red dot" HB1s talked about in that thread that I cannot for the life of me locate!