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    Quote Originally Posted by Brynot View Post
    I'm sure no one has been holding their breath over this, but here's the reply I got back after sending the seller a very kind message asking for any info he may have.

    "The man I got it from is dead . But he told me he got it from a guy who worked for the guilds Co."

    So, yeah, not going to find out anything on that end.
    I sure wish I could shake my feeling that we have seen this guitar, or one like it, before.
    Quote Originally Posted by mgod View Post
    What he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post
    I sure wish I could shake my feeling that we have seen this guitar, or one like it, before.
    I think we've seen another one like it but not this specific guitar, at least not since '09?
    Maybe you're thinking of the one from a couple of years ago, presented for advice by a new member?
    Seem to recall the s/n was obscured, filled from a repaint job, and which he repainted to his liking while "restoring" to a very nice player grade.
    I think that one also had some questions about hardware/neck originality.
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    from the pics that I see is the finish looks like its guild .. we all see the checking which is very s 100.. who knows ,maybe some guild employee brought his kid to work on day and turned the kid loose on the seconds, blems and failed experiments bin

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    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post
    I sure wish I could shake my feeling that we have seen this guitar, or one like it, before.
    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    I think we've seen another one like it but not this specific guitar, at least not since '09?
    Maybe you're thinking of the one from a couple of years ago, presented for advice by a new member?
    Frono is right! We went over this one a couple of years ago. I have nothing to add!

    http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sho...-Guild-is-this

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    Quote Originally Posted by hansmoust View Post
    Frono is right! We went over this one a couple of years ago. I have nothing to add!

    http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sho...-Guild-is-this

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    Thank you. Looking at that thread it looks like people eventually concluded the serial was 82452 which I will take as strong evidence it is the same guitar. Using my super secret Moderator powers, I cannot find anything to suggest Lucky672 and Brynot have any connection to each other. Perhaps am Administrator will have more insight :-)

    Brynot's seller claims it was made by a Guild employee now deceased. Lucky672 makes no claim to knowing anything about guitars and asserts that a local shop called it a Guild. So there is more to this story, perhaps other owners or additional research that has not been reported.
    Quote Originally Posted by mgod View Post
    What he said.

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    '16 Betts Bass "Walnut Bottom"

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    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post
    Looking at that thread it looks like people eventually concluded the serial was 82452 which I will take as strong evidence it is the same guitar.
    Well, I'm telling you it is the same guitar and in that thread I already concluded that it was a 1970/1971 neck! So there's really nothing new to the story and we're looking at a Guild neck from 1971 with a body most likely coming from a Japanese guitar.

    Sincerely,

    Hans Moust
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    Alright Bryno, there's only one way outta this... we're gonna need a complete forensic analysis on the body, and I mean the works, to include, but not limited to:

    Stable isotopes
    N.I.R. (Near Infrared)
    Paper fiber analysis
    Remote sensing
    and of course, DNA look up.

    That might allow us to track the factory of origin.

    Would be nice if we could have this by E.O.B.D. tomorrow so Al can enjoy his weekend stress free.

    Thanks!
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    In this world there are always those who march to the sound of a different drummer. These wayward marchers go off and break boundaries. Blistering leads on an acoustic. Purple spandex, and proud of it. Gibsons on a Guild forum. But the world is a better place for their pioneering efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hansmoust View Post
    Well, I'm telling you it is the same guitar and in that thread I already concluded that it was a 1970/1971 neck! So there's really nothing new to the story and we're looking at a Guild neck from 1971 with a body most likely coming from a Japanese guitar.

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    Hans Moust
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    Aww... now I feel like I wasted everyone's time. Bummer. I haven't even read that whole thread yet. Too sad. It's a shame someone would go through such lengths to be dishonest. Such is life. Luckily, I love guitars and I at least got some entertainment out of this. Hindsight is 20/20.

    Okay, read the rest. The dishonest seller seems to be the exact same guy since he told me, upon parking lot sale, that he had taken it up the guitar shop here in my town a few years back and they were amazed by it! Ha! Certainly the same guy since he lives in the next town over. Also, the guys at the music store here know very little about guitars - I should know since I've been going there for the last 8 years and they usually answer any questions with "I have no idea, I play mandolin" or "I just clean everyone's guitars with orange Pledge furniture polish".

    This Lucky guy was obviously trying to unload the guitar and rip someone off. Mission accomplished. Lemons out of lemonade is it taught me a lot about the history of Guilds, Guild pickups, solid bodies, and taught me an unnecessary lesson in buyer beware. The truth is, how the hell could I have known? He made sure the price was reasonable for someone to buy it without being sure. Pretty lame, but hey, I've been entertained for the last month and I've got a good project.

    Btw - it's a 5 not an 8.

    Peas
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    So the guy in the old thread comes here for answers on his unusual guitar. He gets answers but not the ones he wants. So he then unloads it on the next guy (Brynot) without sharing any of the info he learned here and gives him a BS story. Man that sucks, sorry Brynot. Most of the people I've encountered on this site and with the Guild brand have been really good people. I think I'd be making a trip back to the next town over and confronting him. Anyway, sorry again and hopefully you can do something cool with it.

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    Hans, what makes you think it's a Japanese body? The routes are all real amateur stuff, which makes me think it's homemade, yet the joinery b/w the maple and mahogany looks really precisely tongue-and-grooved. Almost makes me wonder whether somebody had some piece of furniture with that slab of joined wood that they cut into a guitar body. Is there a specific make/model MIJ guitar that used the same body/construction style? (Sorry, kind of always enjoyed the higher quality oddball Japanese stuff!)

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